Episode 10

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2012-06-17 07:55
  What happened? SPOIL SPOIL SPOIL SPOIL SPOIL SPOIL SPOIL SPOIL!
  
  And don't give me crap, insufficient info...
• Elleanior wrote on 2012-06-18 04:41
  [S]Keaghan did the Anakin Skywalker thing and became Darth Vader.[/S]
  
  Basically: Tieve's slowly fading to Erinn, Keaghan doesn't want this. So, he's going to try and stop this even if it means taking things to the most desperate measures. So he ends up eating the heart of Verafim, said to be complete darkness (or something like that), temporarily turns "into a monster" (I dunno, but regardless, he turns into a DK and sees the character as a threat), and then later (I don't know the full details) becomes Cichol.
  
  And then Tieve is proven to be Morrighan (or at least her host, I don't know the full details) after Cichol/ Keaghan leaves, telling Tieve that he'll find a way to save her, and to please wait for him.
  
  I don't know the full story, all I know is what I've seen from translations from KR server, since I'm stuck on the quest to do Earthborn Seal. (Groups keep wiping. = ,=)
  
  Btw, ground cow heart tastes lovely, but I'd like to know what lizard's heart tastes like. There was less choking sounds on the English version of the cutscene.
• Continuum wrote on 2012-06-18 05:21

  Quote from Elleanior;888936:

  [S]Keaghan did the Anakin Skywalker thing and became Darth Vader.[/S]
  
  Basically: Tieve's slowly fading to Erinn, Keaghan doesn't want this. So, he's going to try and stop this even if it means taking things to the most desperate measures. So he ends up eating the heart of Verafim, said to be complete darkness (or something like that), temporarily turns "into a monster" (I dunno, but regardless, he turns into a DK and sees the character as a threat), and then later (I don't know the full details) becomes Cichol.
  
  And then Tieve is proven to be Morrighan (or at least her host, I don't know the full details) after Cichol/ Keaghan leaves, telling Tieve that he'll find a way to save her, and to please wait for him.
  
  I don't know the full story, all I know is what I've seen from translations from KR server, since I'm stuck on the quest to do Earthborn Seal. (Groups keep wiping. = ,=)
  
  Btw, ground cow heart tastes lovely, but I'd like to know what lizard's heart tastes like. There was less choking sounds on the English version of the cutscene.

  
  
  Adding on to this, after you finish the episode, everyone, even your character, forgets Tieve and Keaghan ever existed, though those in Colhen feel as if someone is missing. Talking to Tieves grayed out character icon says that your character feels like someone who was here is gone now. Any item that once belonged to Keaghan or Tieve still exists, like Clodaghs ring to Tieve, which she thinks she made for Marrec, who doesn't remember it at all. The picture of Tieve is still on Brynns desk, but he doesn't know who it's of, but he says it brings him peace.
  In Rocheste, for the most part, it's like your character never went there before, everyone there doesn't know you.
  This leads me to believe that after this entire memory erase, it's as if after Episode 10, Season 1 never happend.
  Also, if you talk to Gwynns grayed out icon, it says the same thing as Tieves, meaning people who died must also be forgotten.
  Man I typed a wall...
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2012-06-18 08:01
  If I heard correctly, the three Dragons were sealing up Cichol and the one who defeats them all becomes his embodiment? Something like that...
• Invertex wrote on 2012-06-18 09:09
  Okay, I've only completed the story quests until before the Keaghen fight, so this is likely off in some parts.
  
  The premise is that Tieve is fading, and becoming part of Erinn since she is the chosen oracle. Keaghen goes to Brynn to demand to know how to save Tieve, in which it's revealed that Nevan of the Dark Brotherhood gave Brynn a book about how to break the seal between the world of Vindi and the world of Erinn. It's revealed at this point that the Pontiff's Court is sending people to Colhen to find Keaghen (after he was branding a traitor all the way back in Ep8.5).
  
  The leads to the first fight against Siglint. However nothing happens, so Keaghen goes back to Brynn and demands more answers. Anyways Brynn tells Keaghen that there is a second seal on the god of the Fomors, which the book says they must break to bring Erinn to the world. So another fight against Beokros, and kill him.
  
  Anyways, they're then brought to the huge floating island of Elchulus. Brynn reveals that Keaghen HAS to bring Tieve to that area in Heide in order to "save" her. Keaghen eventually understands Brynn cares about Tieve as much as he does, so he agrees. Tieve turns out to know about all of this, and accepts her role as oracle. So they go to their fates. Pontiff's Court barge into Colhen and sweep the town, but Keaghen, Tieve, and yourself are all in Heide already.
  
  So they go to Elchulus, who reveals that they are in Erinn: a place where time is frozen. It is revealed that Morrigan sacrificed herself to seal Elchulus away, and that by breaking the seal Morrigan will return to their world through the body of the chosen oracle. That oracle so happens to be Tieve, which causes Keaghen to do the whole "No, it can't be" thing. Then he decides it's a bright idea that if he can kill Elchulus, he can still save Tieve.
  
  Elchulus fight, yada yada yada. Elchulus is weakened, but gets back up and smacks Keaghen around a bunch. Suddenly Verafim (the lizardman) shows up. The backstory from Ep9 was that the Lizardmen are not part of the Fomors, but they lacked a god. So they intended to kill/take the Fomor god and make it their own. So he goes and tells Keaghen that he knows how to kill Elchulus: Keaghen must eat his heart.
  
  So Keaghen rips the heart out, eats it, kills Elchulus. He goes somewhat crazy and you fight him to try and stop him.
  
  That's the extent to what I'm 100% sure of. I can update later today once I get to see the ending cutscene. However my guess is that Verafim pretty much tricked Keaghen, and by consuming the heart (and maybe the power of Elchulus) Keaghen has become a vessel for Cichol. So he transforms into Cichol after promising something to Tieve. Except Tieve has now finished becoming the vessel for Morrigan, so now Morrigan is back and says something else. Cue credits and everyone forgetting about them.
  
  Also picture completely related.
  

  [Image: http://i47.tinypic.com/v7uqeq.jpg]
• TheBoulder wrote on 2012-06-18 11:16
  That image. re-captioned:
  "Prepare your body."
• SakuraFarron wrote on 2012-06-18 14:34

  Quote from Invertex;889005:

  
  So Keaghen rips the heart out, eats it, kills Elchulus. He goes somewhat crazy and you fight him to try and stop him.

  
  
  Actually after you beat Keaghan, Elchulus flies away before Keaghan/Tieve become Cichol/Morrighan.
  There's a discussion on VHQ about Verafim's intentions, why did he give his heart to Keaghan and what about his plot to steal the Fomorian God? Astroboy1928 found a few theories about that:
  
  

  Quote from astroboy1928:

  
  I read a post suggesting an interesting explanation to it, so I want to share:
  
  In Episode 9, Verafim mentioned that Lizardmen Race were abandoned by the Fomorians, and in revenge, he wanted to steal their God
  
  In order to do that, in Episode 10, Verafim lured Keaghan to rip out his heart, he claimed that this will gain the power of the dark god which can defeat Elchulus, Keaghan ate his heart and use some sort of red beam to attack Elchulus.
  
  

  [Image: http://i50.tinypic.com/343qm3l.jpg]

  
  
  At that moment, Verafim’s soul got into the Elchulus body and gain full control of the dragon, at last, he fulfilled his plot of “stealing” formor’s god by controlling Elchulus, the “dragon” (Verafim) laughed at Keaghan, saying “ Fool! To break free from a human body is to release the seal of the dark god”, before Keaghan and Tieve became the host of Morrighan and Cichol, he escaped.
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  According to this explanation Verafim didn’t died but becomes Elchulus, which is the true meaning of stealing Formor’s god.
  
  However I still have some questions to this explanation, first, how can Elchulus, who fighted with Morrighan and another god (presumably Cichol) can be controlled by a simply a lizardman … (http://www.vindictuswiki.com/wiki/Royal_Army:_God_of_the_Fomors)
  
  Besides, in the ending scene the lizardman sound came from lizardman’s body ( Keaghan was looking at the body and the camera focus on it ) although some people said he had died so there was no way he could still speak, the lizardman voice came from the dragon which suggests that verafim had taken control of the dragon.
  
  Some people suggest another explanation to the whole scene:
  
  Elchulus wasn’t dead,
  
  Elchulus escaped because Keaghan had given up his human body and was going to awaken as Cichol
  
  ( He mentioned that he had god power and mortal human can’t defeat him, however it would be different if Keaghan became the dark god )
  
  The Lizardman didn’t taken control of Elchulus in anyway
  
  He last word was” giving up human body means the the break of the seal of dark god”
  
  His goal was to steal the Formorian god , and it was him who break the seal of Cichol , so it had no different from his original plan

• Invertex wrote on 2012-06-18 14:40
  Yep, knew I messed up the ending. XD
  
  Interesting that there are theories about it though.
• Oizen wrote on 2012-06-18 19:48
  I find the afterstroy so strange
  
  I mean, Keaghan and Tieve's existance were erased entirely? Or just everyones memories?
  In which if their existances were truly gone, why is Gwynn still dead?
  
  so confusssingggg
• Invertex wrote on 2012-06-18 19:54
  I think it's everyone's memories about them. There has to be a reason it's called Epilogue: Memories.
  
  It's a bit sad though, since all your actions have also been erased from memories. Everyone treats you like right after you cleared Perilous Ruins, everything just got reset to a pre-Ainle thing. It actually shows in the Chit-Chat option, where they're using the same dialogue lines I last saw over a year ago.
• Oizen wrote on 2012-06-18 20:04

  Quote from Invertex;889280:

  I think it's everyone's memories about them. There has to be a reason it's called Epilogue: Memories.
  
  It's a bit sad though, since all your actions have also been erased from memories. Everyone treats you like right after you cleared Perilous Ruins, everything just got reset to a pre-Ainle thing. It actually shows in the Chit-Chat option, where they're using the same dialogue lines I last saw over a year ago.

  
  
  Its nice to know no one gives a shit about us again.
  
  Probably giving us a reason to go to erinn, because the epilouge seemed to really stress your character was alone.
  
  (which makes me just want to rage at the entire 5 heros causing gender lock thing, but hey, thats another topic)
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-06-18 20:05
  Wow, that seems depressing. I'm definitely not going back if it means that.
• Continuum wrote on 2012-06-18 20:45

  Quote from OizenX;889274:

  I find the afterstroy so strange
  
  I mean, Keaghan and Tieve's existance were erased entirely? Or just everyones memories?
  In which if their existances were truly gone, why is Gwynn still dead?
  
  so confusssingggg

  
  
  I think anyone who died was most likely erased from everyone's memories as well, and they aren't back to life either, because anything that belonged to Keaghan or Tieve wasn't removed, just nobody knows who they belonged to.
  This makes me think people who died from events in the story stay dead, but are completely forgotten because the story didn't happen.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2012-06-18 22:41

  Quote from Continuum;889305:

  I think anyone who died was most likely erased from everyone's memories as well

  
  
  Yeah and everyone still remembers Ellis...
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-06-18 22:43
  They needed to be dead, otherwise it'd be a time paradox if the NPCs were alive and everything happened again.