Gunman kills 12 in Colorado movie theater

• Reptile wrote on 2012-07-22 02:28

  Quote from Altava;914939:

  Drugs tend to be easier to make yes.
  But even if a criminal couldn't get access to a gun he could easily get a knife or they could even go old school and pull out a bow.
  
  To use something as an example: Japan has super strict gun control laws, but a man still walked into a school and killed 8 children with a knife. And again a few years ago someone killed 7 people in Tokyo with a knife.
  
  You can take one weapon away, but you better know that there will still be people who will find a way to kill people.
  Think about it, how easy is it to get a knife? We can't ban knives because that'd be idiotic, but they can be used to kill.
  
  We can't let fear and criminals dictate what are freedoms are.
  [insert american flag]

  
  Couldn't have said it better myself.
  Either way, gun control laws will never pass anyway.
• Time wrote on 2012-07-22 02:30

  Quote from Altava;914939:

  Drugs tend to be easier to make yes.
  But even if a criminal couldn't get access to a gun he could easily get a knife or they could even go old school and pull out a bow.
  
  To use something as an example: Japan has super strict gun control laws, but a man still walked into a school and killed 8 children with a knife. And again a few years ago someone killed 7 people in Tokyo with a knife.
  
  You can take one weapon away, but you better know that there will still be people who will find a way to kill people.
  Think about it, how easy is it to get a knife? We can't ban knives because that'd be idiotic, but they can be used to kill.
  
  We can't let fear and criminals dictate what are freedoms are.
  [insert american flag]

  
  And you dont think more people would have died if he had a gun? Whats the point of that example, thats just saying that people still died, but if you think about it, it was probably less.
• Reptile wrote on 2012-07-22 02:32

  Quote from Time;914946:

  And you dont think more people would have died if he had a gun? Whats the point of that example, thats just saying that people still died, but if you think about it, it was probably less.

  
  And think about the numbers who have the potential to die if they don't have a gun if they're getting robbed. Which happens.. a lot.
• Time wrote on 2012-07-22 02:36

  Quote from Reptile;914947:

  And think about the numbers who have the potential to die if they don't have a gun if they're getting robbed. Which happens.. a lot.

  
  
  I never said get rid of them all, Im just saying the whole system is broken and you cant do nothing.
• Altava wrote on 2012-07-22 02:38

  Quote from Time;914946:

  And you dont think more people would have died if he had a gun? Whats the point of that example, thats just saying that people still died, but if you think about it, it was probably less.

  
  
  Human lives lost are still human lives lost.
  The fact that we would've treated only two or three people dying by the hands of a madman as a "well it could've been worse" situation is distressing.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-07-22 02:40

  Quote from Altava;914939:

  Drugs tend to be easier to make yes.
  But even if a criminal couldn't get access to a gun he could easily get a knife or they could even go old school and pull out a bow.
  
  To use something as an example: Japan has super strict gun control laws, but a man still walked into a school and killed 8 children with a knife. And again a few years ago someone killed 7 people in Tokyo with a knife.
  
  You can take one weapon away, but you better know that there will still be people who will find a way to kill people.
  Think about it, how easy is it to get a knife? We can't ban knives because that'd be idiotic, but they can be used to kill.
  
  We can't let fear and criminals dictate what are freedoms are.
  [insert american flag]

  
  
  But I'll ask.. how many of these mass murder Knife kill happen over Mass murder Gun kill? Knives are very easy to get afterall yet they happen less often than gun kill. One of the main different inbetwen gun and knife is "proximity". It's mentally easier for an human being to kill another if they can keep a distance from them. People are more easily going to pull a trigger than plunge a knife into someone. Distance bring them some safty of mind which make it easier to kill. Unlike melee weapons, gun give such a strong safety of mind to criminals. It give a false sense of power.. the ability to kill at will with a movement of a finger.. Melee weapons require a better training and will to kill to use them.
  
  Also.. isn't it fear of other gun user that make you want to buy and own a gun for yourself? Aren't those fears of yours already dictating what you should be doing or want to do?
  Anyway.. gun control isn't the only thing through.. it's mostly a mindset kind of thing. Whilew it might seem like gun control is strong in Canada, you can still go in a shop and buy gun and ammo pretty easily. Even my aunt has her own gun for hunting (always bring us wild animal meat.. so good..) Yet shootings don't happen all that often around here. Most of the time we hear Gun kill over here, it's always related to the mafia. But yea, even I don't understand what exactly caused this lack of interest in gun murder around here.
• Time wrote on 2012-07-22 02:41

  Quote from Altava;914951:

  Human lives lost are still human lives lost.
  The fact that we would've treated only two or three people dying by the hands of a madman as a "well it could've been worse" situation is distressing.

  
  
  If you think thats what I was trying to say then I apologize, because thats not what I meant at all. However if the comment was not directed at me but rather what I said, then I apologize for misunderstanding you.
• Altava wrote on 2012-07-22 02:53

  Quote from Chiyuri;914952:

  But I'll ask.. how many of these mass murder Knife kill happen over Mass murder Gun kill? Knives are very easy to get afterall yet they happen less often than gun kill. One of the main different inbetwen gun and knife is "proximity". It's mentally easier for an human being to kill another if they can keep a distance from them. People are more easily going to pull a trigger than plunge a knife into someone. Distance bring them some safty of mind which make it easier to kill. Unlike melee weapons, gun give such a strong safety of mind to criminals. It give a false sense of power.. the ability to kill at will with a movement of a finger.. Melee weapons require a better training and will to kill to use them.
  
  Also.. isn't it fear of other gun user that make you want to buy and own a gun for yourself? Aren't those fears of yours already dictating what you should be doing or want to do?
  Anyway.. gun control isn't the only thing through.. it's mostly a mindset kind of thing. Whilew it might seem like gun control is strong in Canada, you can still go in a shop and buy gun and ammo pretty easily. Even my aunt has her own gun for hunting (always bring us wild animal meat.. so good..) Yet shootings don't happen all that often around here. Most of the time we hear Gun kill over here, it's always related to the mafia. But yea, even I don't understand what exactly caused this lack of interest in gun murder around here.

  
  
  Hmmm...you've got me there.
  I suppose all I can say is that if you want to stop crimes like these you need more things than just restrictions on weapons. They need to improve accessibility to medical care for one. (since most of these people who commit these mass murders usually needed some sort of psychiatric help)
  
  The criminal mind is a incredibly difficult thing to decipher making this whole thing even more difficult to debate about, but I still understand where you're coming from.
• Reptile wrote on 2012-07-22 02:55

  Quote from Time;914949:

  I never said get rid of them all, Im just saying the whole system is broken and you cant do nothing.

  
  
  I agree that it should be a little more difficult to legally obtain a gun, but the laws they're currently try to pass are ones that are saying if you're not a police officer or military official, you can't own a gun.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2012-07-22 03:35
  If someone wants to obtain a weapon, they will obtain a weapon. You guys make it sound like banning firearms would make procuring a weapon more difficult when it's already easier to obtain a weapon illegally than legally.
  
  ...and illegal weapons are often fully-automatic.
  
  People only care about this stuff when it affects them. The second that gunman starting firing, people jumped immediately to stress level black. It would have taken a single trained person to make him pull the trigger on himself.
• Phunkie wrote on 2012-07-22 06:55
  We need guns to protect us.
  
  It's not just about the criminals. It's about the government.
  
  If no citizen of the United States (as in, the non-government officials) had guns, the government could easily do whatever the fuck they want with us. We wouldn't be able to defend ourselves from them. It's not just about criminals.
  
  Of course, things like these happen, unfortunately. I say we need stricter security laws in public places like these. But it's impossible to prevent situations like these, however. It's just the sad reality.
  
  RIP.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2012-07-22 08:23
  Hm. What about extremely strict gun control with the freedom to bear arms?
  
  How about arm EVERYONE (including children and seniors) with lightweight and small ID-tagged standardized assault rifles with cameras equipped under the barrel (recording starts as soon as safety turned off), make it mandatory for everyone have training under the gun and carry it around everywhere and then under the law, make it mandatory for anyone to shoot anyone in self defense. Each gun will have safety measures so that it can only be used by it's specific owner. Anyone with a deactivated/removed camera will be pay an extremely heavy fine be instantly jailed. Anyone who does not have the gun present with them will also be heavily fined or instantly jailed. During any incident with the assault rifle, footage is always checked first. Each time the safety is flipped or a bullet is fired or the gun is held in , the police will be notified through signals from the gun which show gps location and who owns the gun.
  
  Make every other gun illegal, ownership of other guns equals instant jail time; no second chances. Of course, sales of other guns are illegal.
  
  That way, crime will be lowered because everyone has an assault rifle (therefore expecting instant retaliation from an extremely high powered gun) and the guns can always be traced to one specific person.
  
  Wow I sure write the stupidest crap at 1 am.
• Drizzit wrote on 2012-07-23 01:07

  Quote from Time;914914:

  But don't you see the ignorance in that? Saying just to leave things the same just allows for the same senseless killings that already occur. I know you're saying that there is no simple solution, that people do justly want to own a gun for their own protection, but don't you see that if people are being killed that something should be done? Its clear that theres a problem, people get killed, people who have no clue that they will be killed, who did nothing wrong, are killed, and I know you will probably say that people who would be in that situation who have a gun can be saved by the simple fact that they own one, but if anyone dies shouldnt some solution be looked into? You cant leave something alone that is resulting in innocent deaths.

  
  
  This is actually completely false. It's just a sad fact that not everyone is psychologically capable of living in a civilized society. Once in awhile, some nutcase is going to go off the deep end, AND NOTHING YOU CAN DO WILL CHANGE THAT. Taking away people's rights just so you can feel like you are "doing something about it" accomplishes nothing.
• rzetlin wrote on 2012-07-24 15:39

  Quote from Phunkie;915055:

  We need guns to protect us.
  
  It's not just about the criminals. It's about the government.
  
  If no citizen of the United States (as in, the non-government officials) had guns, the government could easily do whatever the fuck they want with us. We wouldn't be able to defend ourselves from them. It's not just about criminals.
  
  Of course, things like these happen, unfortunately. I say we need stricter security laws in public places like these. But it's impossible to prevent situations like these, however. It's just the sad reality.
  
  RIP.

  
  
  Here we go with this fictional scenario that Americans would be overrun by a Nazi-like government and guns are needed to protect themselves.
  
  Where was the NRA when Bush signed the Patriot Act limiting American freedoms?
  
  Oh yeah, the NRA supported Bush!
  
  The irony is the ones who supported guns are the ones who supported tyranny.
  
  If the Americans had their government overrun, a couple of guns are no match for a nuclear bomb.
  
  Second Amendment states:
  
  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
  
  Note the word "well regulated" meaning there have to be rules in place to bear arms.
  
  The way things are in America its pretty much a free for all when it comes to owning guns.
  
  As a Canadian, I cannot understand why Americans are so afraid of stricter gun controls.
  
  In Canada, we have a more regulated gun laws which haven't lead to dictatorship government.
  
  Given the passive response from Americans on this enacting new gun laws - I sometimes wonder if Americans haven't gone crazy.
• Time wrote on 2012-07-24 16:13

  Quote from Drizzit;915563:

  This is actually completely false. It's just a sad fact that not everyone is psychologically capable of living in a civilized society. Once in awhile, some nutcase is going to go off the deep end, AND NOTHING YOU CAN DO WILL CHANGE THAT. Taking away people's rights just so you can feel like you are "doing something about it" accomplishes nothing.

  
  
  So, there are nutcases who are going to go off the deep end, and nothing I can do will change that, so that logically means, dont change a single thing about gun rules, so those nutcases can get guns. Again my post never said a single thing about completely taking away guns, i said "Do something" which you mocked. So. thats what you are saying. Change nothing at all. Heck I didnt even say anything about changing the rights, I was just saying we should look for something we can change, that hopefully will prevent murders of innocent people. And you dont want to look into changing anything? Really?