Tera Free Week

• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-09-30 18:32
  My new laptop can run it properly (it can run most games properly without going to lowest setting), but I don't really want the whole work for your subscription thing, it's like I am slave to the game's demand, I want to log on and play whenever I feel like it rather than spend 3 hours of my life so I can keep playing.
• Akemii wrote on 2012-09-30 18:43

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;957533:

  Which server?
  
  My old client is broken so I have to uninstall it and reinstall the new one... which means 24GB of downloading. I live out in some forest somewhere so that's going to take me like 5+ hours probably. More because I'm playing Vindictus today and I need to host, lol.

  
  
  Theres only three now, me and Kitae are in the PvE one
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-09-30 18:44

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;957536:

  My new laptop can run it properly (it can run most games properly without going to lowest setting), but I don't really want the whole work for your subscription thing, it's like I am slave to the game's demand, I want to log on and play whenever I feel like it rather than spend 3 hours of my life so I can keep playing.

  
  Yeah, I hate subscription-based systems, but it's either that or pay real money I guess. I'd rather spend a few hours getting gold than pay $15 and if I'm making use of the subscription I'll get it anyway.
  

  Quote from Akemii;957543:

  Theres only three now, me and Kitae are in the PvE one

  
  Okay.
• Akemii wrote on 2012-09-30 19:00

  Quote from Excalibur;957497:

  Wish my PC could run it, what are your specs?

  
  
  You know my specs i run at highest
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-09-30 20:07

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;957536:

  but I don't really want the whole work for your subscription thing, it's like I am slave to the game's demand

  
  
  

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;957544:

  Yeah, I hate subscription-based systems

  
  
  Please tally up all the rebirths, premium rebirths, premium service, pets, and nx items such as dyes that you've used throughout your entire mabinogi life and see how that scales up to paying 15 dollars a month.
  
  I've found that on average, f2p games will sap far more money out of you than p2p model games will.
  
  "I just wanna play like a few times a month and I feel like I'm getting ripped off" is actually a terrible idea. Tera is all about the end game, and it just isn't for casual players anyways, so the entire demography of the game itself has been missed.
  
  Personally I'm glad that I can buy a subscription with gold instead of cash. Better that than just cash only. And ever since I started playing Tera I just can't feel inclined to go back to f2p models ever again. Those microtransactions drive me absolutely insane. Things that should normally be provided for everyone in-game from a game currency market is restricted to single use cash payments only. Its absurd.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-09-30 21:56

  Quote from Cucurbita;957574:

  Please tally up all the rebirths, premium rebirths, premium service, pets, and nx items such as dyes that you've used throughout your entire mabinogi life and see how that scales up to paying 15 dollars a month.

  
  I didn't like Mabinogi, so I didn't really play it/spend anything at all on it.
  
  I've spent $100 on Vindictus and I've played for about 19 months. Actually, I've played about 24, but I was somewhat inactive during that period. That comes out at $5 per month (@$100/19 months). I think I might've actually spent $80, but that's close enough. If we were to use the other figures, it would come out at $3 per month.
  
  I'm not exactly a "casual" player. I tend to get pretty high up in the games I play, almost always top .1% or better (not yet in Vindictus though, lol, because it's the biggest gear grind I've put up with), but I don't want to feel pressured to play as if I'm wasting my money if I don't.
  
  All things considered, I'm a very conservative spender considering how much use I put into everything I buy.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-09-30 22:45

  Quote from Cucurbita;957574:

  Please tally up all the rebirths, premium rebirths, premium service, pets, and nx items such as dyes that you've used throughout your entire mabinogi life and see how that scales up to paying 15 dollars a month.
  
  I've found that on average, f2p games will sap far more money out of you than p2p model games will.
  
  "I just wanna play like a few times a month and I feel like I'm getting ripped off" is actually a terrible idea. Tera is all about the end game, and it just isn't for casual players anyways, so the entire demography of the game itself has been missed.
  
  Personally I'm glad that I can buy a subscription with gold instead of cash. Better that than just cash only. And ever since I started playing Tera I just can't feel inclined to go back to f2p models ever again. Those microtransactions drive me absolutely insane. Things that should normally be provided for everyone in-game from a game currency market is restricted to single use cash payments only. Its absurd.

  
  
  I would take those any day, because I believe in Matrix philosophy. People want choices, even fake choice, they are only happy when they have the illusion of choice and that's what free to play give me, choice of whether to buy or not while subscription force the fee on you, and that feels suppressing. One of the reason I like guildwar is because of the freedom of choice.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2012-09-30 22:48
  The only reason people are turned off by p2p games is because you have to pay upfront first and then they have to pay again at some point in time if they want to continue playing again.
  
  People are greatly misled by f2p games and are easily given into buying the cashshop items because they're allowed to "trial" the free stuff first.
  
  It's a lot like intentionally viewing an advertisement which over time develops sentimental value.
  
  Edit: As for mabinogi, I've probably paid about 300 dollars to play 4 and a half years which is 54 months.
  
  That's about 5 and a half dollars a month.
  
  The biggest problem with f2p games is that after people start spending, they generally don't pay attention to how much they spend because they're either too busy playing the game to notice or that they feel committed to the game. Considering that most p2p games are 15 dollars a month, dedicated paying f2p players probably pay from that amount up to two or three times that amount per month.
• Akemii wrote on 2012-09-30 23:31

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;957618:

  I didn't like Mabinogi, so I didn't really play it/spend anything at all on it.
  
  I've spent $100 on Vindictus and I've played for about 19 months. Actually, I've played about 24, but I was somewhat inactive during that period. That comes out at $5 per month (@$100/19 months). I think I might've actually spent $80, but that's close enough. If we were to use the other figures, it would come out at $3 per month.
  
  I'm not exactly a "casual" player. I tend to get pretty high up in the games I play, almost always top .1% or better (not yet in Vindictus though, lol, because it's the biggest gear grind I've put up with), but I don't want to feel pressured to play as if I'm wasting my money if I don't.
  
  All things considered, I'm a very conservative spender considering how much use I put into everything I buy.

  
  
  You're definitely one of the more conservative people, like you've said. I'm sure you've seen your friends (I'm guilty as well) drop A LOT of money on Vindictus/Mabinogi.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-09-30 23:50
  Yeah, I've definitely known people to spend many thousands of dollars on games they love, and I completely understand that. I'm aware of a person who was approaching $100K spent on Vindictus last I heard of him.
  
  But in the end, that really is mostly excess spending. To get "the best" things in most reasonable F2P games and have a completely comfortable time, it generally wouldn't take more than $20-30 at most or maybe up to $100 if you're really into the game. It gets to a point where it's like spending more than $25K on a car.
  
  But of course, it would still take dedicated playing, smart decision making, etc.
• Akemii wrote on 2012-10-01 00:33

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;957667:

  Yeah, I've definitely known people to spend many thousands of dollars on games they love, and I completely understand that. I'm aware of a person who was approaching $100K spent on Vindictus last I heard of him.
  
  But in the end, that really is mostly excess spending. To get "the best" things in most reasonable F2P games and have a completely comfortable time, it generally wouldn't take more than $20-30 at most or maybe up to $100 if you're really into the game. It gets to a point where it's like spending more than $25K on a car.
  
  But of course, it would still take dedicated playing, smart decision making, etc.

  
  
  Yeah, I'm a bad spender. I'm ashamed to say that I've probably spent well over $500 dollars in my 6-7 years of playing MMOs. Only reason I used to be biased over F2P and P2P is because I didn't have a job for most of my life, making paying for P2P every month an absurd thing for me to do...
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-10-01 01:28
  Is everyone just going to ignore everything I said?
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-10-01 01:44
  Oh, I do spend a lot on some things, I just play the fuck out of them to compensate. Well, it's actually the other way around, I tend to play them a lot first and then spend a lot. But right now, I have a lot of excess money (compared to how much I normally have, anyway, I'm definitely not rich) due to not spending practically ever. I've spent like $20 on a game in the past... I dunno, half a year? Not counting the $5 I spent to have a Blizzard authenticator shipped to me, and of course TERA tonight.
  
  Then again, I pirate practically everything, from books, to music, to games, to professional programs... operating systems, videos... basically everything that is either not a physical object or is somewhat acceptable in digital form, on top of looking for deals on the physical things I buy.
  
  If someone doesn't mind doing things that they "shouldn't", but are never prosecuted, only buys what's a good deal and makes them happy, and gets creative about spending... I'm convinced almost anyone could live a really great quality of life as long as they go into it with semi-realistic expectations. With the help in the internet, no purchase is really a shot in the dark anymore.
  
  Even with physical objects, there are often tricks. Cameras can often have high end features that shouldn't be available added with hacked firmware. Headphones can perform like ones many times more expensive with a few simple modifications. Cars can be upgraded cheap and get huge performance gains relative to the cost. List goes on and on really.
  
  If spending $100K on a game made someone $100K happier, I'd encourage them to do so. But it probably doesn't, lol. It probably makes them about $100-200 happier at most.
  

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;957708:

  Is everyone just going to ignore everything I said?

  
  

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;957643:

  I would take those any day, because I believe in Matrix philosophy. People want choices, even fake choice, they are only happy when they have the illusion of choice and that's what free to play give me, choice of whether to buy or not while subscription force the fee on you, and that feels suppressing. One of the reason I like guildwar is because of the freedom of choice.

  
  I agree with it but I don't really have anything of interest to say about it.
• Akemii wrote on 2012-10-01 03:28
  WHen is Rebecca going to get on ughugh
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-10-01 06:46
  I was doing something. I just got back.
  
  It's 3AM now... lol.