Desktop build

• Lewd wrote on 2012-10-16 04:27

  Quote from Randomcheese;964073:

  So this build will play games like GW2 and future games nicely right? If so I'll bookmark them. Also it's good you didn't go all the way to 1,000 because I will have to buy a monitor.

  
  
  My PC is worse than that (Not by much) and I can handle GW2 at 60 fps
  
  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009255
  
  I bought this monitor recently and its working great
• Aubog007 wrote on 2012-10-16 13:17
  Personally. I have used AMD for 6 years and i have yet to have a serious problem with AMD, however my computer has invariably shown its age so my new computer is being built with a new AMD processor in mind. AMD-FX-8150.
  
  In a couple of years i will probably upgrade processors to their Excavator series IF it turns out well.
  
  Iunno, i have just been an AMD kinda guy.
  
  Not to mention my last intel fried. (wasn't a power supply issue)
  And my other intel fried (power supply literally exploded)
  
  
  Also on hard drive space. 1TB is especially unnecessary unless you plan to have a lot of movies. 250 GBs has served me well over the course of 6 years.
  
  Just my personal preferences over it.
• Sapphireoath wrote on 2012-10-16 14:14

  Quote from Randomcheese;964073:

  So this build will play games like GW2 and future games nicely right? If so I'll bookmark them. Also it's good you didn't go all the way to 1,000 because I will have to buy a monitor.

  
  
  Should be fine for GW2, anything else as well.
  
  @Aubog 250GB is literally my entire Steam library (probably more). Before I reinstalled Windows (driver issue, couldn't solve) I had about 200 or so GB left on my 1TB HDD, guess it really does depend on the person. Easy enough to choose a 500 or 750GB, if Randomcheese doesn't think he'll need 1TB.
  
  Also Random, if you get a lot of games via Steam sales/etc, I'd recommend that 1TB (750GB minimum), if not just go with 500GB. Aubog brought up a good point.
  
  (Go for 7200RPM HDD's, great read/write speeds, without the cost of an SSD).
• Aubog007 wrote on 2012-10-16 14:46

  Quote from Sapphireoath;964175:

  Should be fine for GW2, anything else as well.
  
  @Aubog 250GB is literally my entire Steam library (probably more). Before I reinstalled Windows (driver issue, couldn't solve) I had about 200 or so GB left on my 1TB HDD, guess it really does depend on the person. Easy enough to choose a 500 or 750GB, if Randomcheese doesn't think he'll need 1TB.
  
  Also Random, if you get a lot of games via Steam sales/etc, I'd recommend that 1TB (750GB minimum), if not just go with 500GB. Aubog brought up a good point.
  
  (Go for 7200RPM HDD's, great read/write speeds, without the cost of an SSD).

  
  
  
  I have a lot of bought games from steam and they barely dent my HD space. It's more of my random collection of movies and duplicates of files for backup purposes.
  
  Some people's priorities for gaming are a bit different. Like a small HD for my 360 is fine enough. I have no need to install everything at once.
• Knightmehre wrote on 2012-10-16 18:35
  Mabi doesn't run better on either AMD or Nvidia, it's a pretty old game and you'd get capp'd. It's mostly CPU/SSD with high I/O that matters for Mabi. Any mid level graphics card, (460, 560 for nvidia) could destroy mabi.
• Randomcheese wrote on 2012-10-16 19:31

  Quote from Sapphireoath;964175:

  Should be fine for GW2, anything else as well.
  
  @Aubog 250GB is literally my entire Steam library (probably more). Before I reinstalled Windows (driver issue, couldn't solve) I had about 200 or so GB left on my 1TB HDD, guess it really does depend on the person. Easy enough to choose a 500 or 750GB, if Randomcheese doesn't think he'll need 1TB.
  
  Also Random, if you get a lot of games via Steam sales/etc, I'd recommend that 1TB (750GB minimum), if not just go with 500GB. Aubog brought up a good point.
  
  (Go for 7200RPM HDD's, great read/write speeds, without the cost of an SSD).

  
  
  
  I'm probably going for the build you posted.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2012-10-16 21:21

  Quote from Knightmehre;964238:

  Mabi doesn't run better on either AMD or Nvidia, it's a pretty old game and you'd get capp'd. It's mostly CPU/SSD with high I/O that matters for Mabi. Any mid level graphics card, (460, 560 for nvidia) could destroy mabi.

  
  
  
  My computer right now does everything perfectly that i want it to do. (mid level games etc)
  
  Just nexon games and high level games are "sluggish"
  But i bought this computer with $1600 a long time ago.
  
  
  Also make sure you know someone that can build it.
  
  If you cant build it yourself. Expect to pay a commission.
• Evaris wrote on 2012-10-17 23:04
  If I may make a couple of suggestions based upon your budget.
  
  If you are going all-out gaming:
  Case: Zalman Z9 Mid-tower http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811235026
  Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550-M http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182262
  Motherboard: AsRock Extreme4 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293
  CPU: Intel i5-3450 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116506
  GPU: XFX Core AMD Radeon HD 7870ghz Edition http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150604
  RAM: Patriot Viper 3 1600mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220685
  HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GBhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
  ODD: LG DVD burnerhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247
  OS: Windows 7 Home Premiumhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
  Heatsink: SilenX 80mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835226049
  TIM: GELID GC-Extreme http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835426020
  
  Total before shipping: $960
  Cost reductions for getting a monitor:
  Lower end motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157302&name=Intel-Motherboards
  Lower end GPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161426&name=Desktop-Graphics-Cards
  and/or: Go with an AMD AM3+ socket motherboard and a AMD quad core, such as a Phenom II X4 965.
  
  If you mostly are just playing older games like Nexon titles / Mabinogi and are looking at more casual use:
  Case: Zalman Z9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811235026
  Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550-M http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182262
  Motherboard: ASUS F2A85-M/CSM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131881
  APU: AMD A10-5800k http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280
  RAM: Patriot Viper 3 1866mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220692
  SSD: Samsung 830 128GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147134
  HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
  ODD: LG DVD burnerhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247
  OS: Windows 7 Home Premiumhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
  Heatsink: SilenX 80mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835226049
  TIM: GELID GC-Extreme http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835426020
  
  
  Total before shipping: $762
  
  
  
  Given you had not shown any interest in overclocking, there is no point in going with a Sandy Bridge CPU, hence my choice of an Ivy Bridge CPU. While the 560 is a good card, it is not in the league of the 660 or Radeon HD 7870, of which the 7870 is slightly faster and offers better performance / watt. Either card will max out older games, and offer stable frames per second above 30fps in newer titles, and in some over 45 frames per second.
  
  I suggested AMD trinity for the casual build as an SSD (solid state drive) will make your system more responsive overall versus an Intel CPU, and the integrated graphics are more than powerful to play any game out there, though newer titles will require lowered settings. It is about on par with a Nvidia Geforce GTX 640/ Radeon HD 6670 (DDR3) if you want to look at discrete options which are similar. Plus, should you need more performance, you can always add a dedicated GPU down the line without issue, or upgrade to a future AMD APU. While a 7200rpm HDD is notibly faster than a 5400rpm HDD, they are nowhere near the almost-instant speeds of an SSD.
  
  Again, if you're not overclocking, you don't need a top-end motherboard. However a good power supply is always important for the reliability of a system. And quiet aftermarket heatsinks are always nice, as is thermal paste that will last as long as you use the system.
  
  RAM choice is made by that 8 GB is more than enough for anything today, and you can always add more later. AMD trinity loves higher-speed RAM.
  
  Case choice for both systems is the Zalman Z9, an excellent value case offering sufficient airflow for all but the highest-end components, decent cable management options, and a bottom mounted PSU. The power supply choice for both is a Rosewill Capstone 550-M, which is based on the very reliable Superflower Golden Green, and the modular cables allow for easier cable management.
  
  For more information on building a system should you be looking at modern gaming specifically, I would recommend checking out my guides. (under the username of Vulpesveritas) I would start with my overview on common misconceptions; http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/8360-guide-hardware-mythbusters-an-in-depth-hardware-guide/
  
  One other thing to consider, for the price of a Nvidia Geforce GTX 560, you can get an AMD Radeon HD 7850, which is on average around 30% faster, and uses about 50 watts less power, even should you primarily go with another build. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161426&name=Desktop-Graphics-Cards
• Randomcheese wrote on 2012-10-18 02:27
  I like your build you posted the first one and I'm wondering if I could get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116505b instead of the one you posted
• Evaris wrote on 2012-10-18 02:46

  Quote from Randomcheese;965053:

  I like your build you posted the first one and I'm wondering if I could get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116505b instead of the one you posted

  
  
  That link goes to a deactivated item. I assume you are referencing the CPU given the related links?
• Sapphireoath wrote on 2012-10-18 02:49
  Imo, aftermarket fans aren't really required unless you plan on doing a small amount of overclocking. Get a good case with fans, and you should be fine. Also, why even bother getting an SSD in that "budget" build.
  Might as well just replace that with the 500GB WD you suggested, the speed won't make much of a difference (especially on Mabinogi).
  
  Besides, that 'budget' build probably wouldn't run GW2 that well.
  
  Edit: Anyone else having problems with newegg, or is it just me? Images not loading all over the place...
• Randomcheese wrote on 2012-10-18 02:51

  Quote from Evaris;965067:

  That link goes to a deactivated item. I assume you are referencing the CPU given the related links?

  
  
  The CPU in the 1st build. I was wondering if I could get a better one for $10 more (The one I linked)
  
  
  Edit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 oops posted the wrong one but this one is a bit more expensive
• Evaris wrote on 2012-10-18 03:09

  Quote from Sapphireoath;965069:

  Imo, aftermarket fans aren't really required unless you plan on doing a small amount of overclocking. Get a good case with fans, and you should be fine. Also, why even bother getting an SSD in that "budget" build.
  Might as well just replace that with the 500GB WD you suggested, the speed won't make much of a difference (especially on Mabinogi).
  
  Besides, that 'budget' build probably wouldn't run GW2 that well.
  
  Edit: Anyone else having problems with newegg, or is it just me? Images not loading all over the place...

  
  
  Why have an SSD in the casual build? Because an SSD will create the largest perceived difference in most day-to-day tasks outside of gaming, as it reduces access time considerably for files in the OS as well as any files stored on the SSD. The SSD will not help out the games in particular, rather general use. It's meant for casual use, not for "budget."
  
  For the performance, the A10's integrated graphics can play nearly any game on the market at 1080p, with a couple exceptions. (Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3.)
  For example with skyrim at 1080p;

  [Image: http://media.bestofmicro.com/4/S/353980/original/Skyrimvirgoi3htpc.jpg]

  
  Minimum FPS from HC:

  [Image: http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/CPU/A10-5800K/A10-5800K-81.jpg]

  
  Or Deus EX HR:

  [Image: http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/5/354137/original/Deus%20Ex%20HR.jpg]

  
  Minimum FPS from HC:

  [Image: http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/CPU/A10-5800K/A10-5800K-79.jpg]

  
  Those are both on DDR3-1600, which Trinity gains up to a 10% advantage from using 1866mhz.
  And while no, an aftermarket cooler IS NOT necessary, I like having a quieter cooler, hence the choice of a cheap, quiet cooler.
  
  

  Quote from Randomcheese;965071:

  The CPU in the 1st build. I was wondering if I could get a better one for $10 more (The one I linked)

  
  
  You mean this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115234&name=Processors-Desktops
  You won't notice the 100mhz difference. You can get it if you like however, I just see it as being $10 that can go elsewhere.
• Sapphireoath wrote on 2012-10-18 03:17

  Quote from Sapphireoath;964027:

  Just did some searching, and put together this build. I kept it up-to-date with the newest parts, while still staying at a good price.
  As for the case, just go for whatever you like the look of the most. I suggest at least Mid Tower, and CoolerMaster seems to have some nice cases (I'm actually switching to a CoolerMaster Gladiator 600 sometime). Total cost doesn't include keyboard/mouse/monitor/windows.
  
  ASRock Z77 Extreme3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $119.99 (-$5)
  
  Intel Core i5-3550 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500 BX80637I53550 $209.99
  
  GIGABYTE GV-N660OC-2GD GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $229.99
  
  Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $109.99 (-$40)
  
  CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9W $74.99 (-$15)
  
  COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS700-PCAAE3-US 700W ATX 12V v2.3 Active PFC Power Supply
  
  Total: $791.94
  
  Also, DVD/CD Drive. Up to you, might as well go for the cheapest. It's becoming more a 'just in case' thing anything these days. Just make sure you don't get a Slim one, those are designed for laptops.
  
  One last thing, this build was only based on your maximum of $1k Telling us what you'll mostly use it for will help :)

  
  
  Made some changes to this build:
  
  Replaced WD Black 1TB 7200RPM with
  WD Blue 500GB 7200RPM
  
  
  Replaced CoolerMaster 700w with CoolerMaster 550w
  
  Added Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit $99.99
  
  Added Samsung B300 Series 23" LED Monitor $149.99
  
  New total cost (including discounts/etc): $971.92
  So still within your budget of $1k, but including everything now :)
  
  If 500GB might not be enough, 1TB is $109.99 while 750GB is $84.99
  
  Edit: Aw fuck. Forgot the case -_-
• Randomcheese wrote on 2012-10-18 03:19
  The first build you posted looks good I was thinking about getting an SSD for just my OS and then get a 500gb 7200 hard drive. What size SSD will I need for the OS?