2nd US Presidential Debate 2012

• Celicia wrote on 2012-10-17 02:16

  Quote from Cynic;964431:

  I have a hard time hearing Romney's point through all the lies, interruptions, repetitiveness and general disrespect towards Obama and the even Moderator. Too bad they can't show the recorded clips of all the past statements Romney made that contradict the current bullshit he's spouting.

  
  
  But even to that extend, remember that President Obama has also lied about certain issues and his assets. The Libyan response, as both CNN and Fox News have come to agree on, was a lie on President Obama's part. He received the distress signal, and refused to send reinforcements. And instead of telling the truth, President Obama released press reports deterring from the actually facts.
  
  And to quote, again, an important factor that Governor Romney highlighted, President Obama himself as assets and has bought stocks in the Chinese market, whist criticizing his opponent for having those same assets.
  
  Of course, these issues date back even before this Second Presidential Debate.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-10-17 02:16
  Man both of them suck so bad.
  
  Wish we had a real bad ass running for president.
• Celicia wrote on 2012-10-17 02:21

  Quote from Cucurbita;964435:

  Man both of them suck so bad.
  
  Wish we had a real bad ass running for president.

  
  
  Oh gosh, if Madam Secretary of State Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton runs for the next Democratic Convention in 2016, I know both Liberals and Conservatives would jump for that ballot box.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-17 02:27

  Quote from Celicia;964411:

  The unfortunate part about this Debate is that the Mediator is from Liberal based CNN.

  
  
  false
  the cat feels they're slightly less conservative than Fox News
  except for maybe Anderson Cooper
  
  

  Quote from Celicia;964429:

  I think I've heard one of the best hits on incumbent President Obama thus far by Governor Romney this session:

  
  
  false
  the federal deficit has actually decreased
• Drizzit wrote on 2012-10-17 02:28

  Quote from Cucurbita;964435:

  Man both of them suck so bad.
  
  Wish we had a real bad ass running for president.

  
  
  We do; his name is Gary Johnson. He's competed in iron man competitions and climbed Mt. Everest. You don't get much more bad ass than that. He's also a libertarian with a solid record of balancing the budget and stimulating the economy as governor of New Mexico.
• Osayidan wrote on 2012-10-17 02:32

  Quote from Drizzit;964440:

  We do; his name is Gary Johnson. He's competed in iron man competitions and climbed Mt. Everest. You don't get much more bad ass than that. He's also a libertarian with a solid record of balancing the budget and stimulating the economy as governor of New Mexico.

  
  
  Yeah and where is he? D:
  The US political system ensures that any party other than democrat or republican may as well not exist. There's so many other candidates who are interesting and could potentially help the US, but as far as the general voting population is aware, there's only 2 candidates, and always has been.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-10-17 02:33

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;964439:

  false
  the cat feels they're slightly less conservative than Fox News
  except for maybe Anderson Cooper
  

  
  
  I guess it really depends on which viewpoint you're coming from. CNN does seem very conservative sometimes.
  
  msnbc news is so liberal its actually gross.
  
  BBC news and NPR radio is so nice. But they're ridiculously unpopular because everyone finds them "so neutral its boring"
  
  

  Quote from Osayidan;964444:

  Yeah and where is he? D:
  The US political system ensures that any party other than democrat or republican may as well not exist. There's so many other candidates who are interesting and could potentially help the US, but as far as the general voting population is aware, there's only 2 candidates, and always has been.

  
  
  Americans hate REAL change. Obama's slogan may have been change, but its pretty much still within everyone's comfort zones.
• Celicia wrote on 2012-10-17 02:37

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;964439:

  false
  the cat feels they're slightly less conservative than Fox News
  except for maybe Anderson Cooper
  
  
  
  false
  the federal deficit has actually decreased

  
  
  Bob, it isn't very much a feeling that Candy is slightly less conservative than those at Fox News, she has had a history of favoring Liberal issues whenever commentaries arrive in studio for interviews.
  
  And as for the Federal Deficit decreasing...
  
  Compare and Contrast these two links below.
  
  This is the US Debt Clock for 2008, when President Obama entered Office
  
  http://www.usdebtclock.org/2008.html
  
  $397, 718,169,924 Federal Budget Deficit
  
  This is the US Debt Clock for 2012, whist this campaign is ensuing.
  
  http://www.usdebtclock.org/
  
  $1,132,610,072,122 Federal Budget Deficit
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-17 02:40

  Quote from Celicia;964446:

  
  
  And as for the Federal Deficit decreasing...
  
  Compare and Contrast these two links below.
  
  This is the US Debt Clock for 2008, when President Obama entered Office
  
  
  $397, 718,169,924 Federal Budget Deficit
  
  This is the US Debt Clock for 2012, whist this campaign is ensuing.
  
  http://www.usdebtclock.org/
  
  $1,132,610,072,122 Federal Budget Deficit

  
  
  Debt =/= deficit
  n fact, the deficit just went from $1.19 Trillion in fiscal year 2009 to $1.09 trillion now.
  The deficit was also $1.13 trillion in August 2012.
  http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2012_09_MBR.pdf
• Drizzit wrote on 2012-10-17 02:41

  Quote from Osayidan;964444:

  Yeah and where is he? D:
  The US political system ensures that any party other than democrat or republican may as well not exist. There's so many other candidates who are interesting and could potentially help the US, but as far as the general voting population is aware, there's only 2 candidates, and always has been.

  
  That may be true, but that's why I believe that it's all the more important to not be sucked into the mindset that a third party vote is wasted and vote for the candidate I truly feel is right. The only way we will change the system is by changing that mindset. [spoiler]and also by waiting for the baby boomers who get all of their news from the mass media to die off.[/spoiler]
  
  

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;964447:

  Debt =/= deficit
  

  
  
  In what way?
• Celicia wrote on 2012-10-17 02:44

  Quote from Drizzit;964448:

  That may be true, but that's why I believe that it's all the more important to not be sucked into the mindset that a third party vote is wasted and vote for the candidate I truly feel is right. The only way we will change the system is by changing that mindset.
  
  
  
  In what way?

  
  
  Debt is the money we own, while Deficit is the Annual accumulation of Income and Spending.
  
  

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;964447:

  Debt =/= deficit
  n fact, the deficit just went from $1.19 Trillion in fiscal year 2009 to $1.09 trillion now.
  The deficit was also $1.13 trillion in August 2012.
  http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2012_09_MBR.pdf

  
  
  
  
  And Bob, the amount I showed was the Deficit, the site itself is only named Us Debt Clock, Federally sponsored and owned, updating consistently.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-17 02:48

  Quote from Celicia;964451:

  
  
  And Bob, the amount I showed was the Deficit, the site itself is only named Us Debt Clock, Federally sponsored and owned, updating consistently.

  
  
  except what you quoted from Romney that the deficit has increased more than 3 times when it hasn't
  The Congressional Budget Office projected that this fiscal year is $1.09 trillion
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-10-17 03:19
  Excuse me for intervening;
  
  I've been going through some fact checks after this and seems the deficit has definitely not increased since Obama took office.
  
  Obama: Promised to cut the deficit in half, could only lower it insignificantly
  Romney: Claimed Obama doubled the deficit, not true.
  
  In some pseudo voodoo science, we can all conclude that the reason why the deficit is still the same is because we cut it in half and then doubled it. Dammit Romney, you jynxed it.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-17 03:29
  According to our Treasury department
  somehow over half of the deficit was still due to the Bush policies and Obama's tax cuts more than his administration's spending
  http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/Documents/20120229_EssentialEcon.PDF
  
  this is somehow worse than giving first blood in LoL
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-10-17 03:51

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;964472:

  this is somehow worse than giving first blood in LoL

  
  
  An intense fight begins in top lane as Darius suddenly decides he can take his opponent by surprise with the hook of his weapon. The enemy Garen silences Darius, preventing him from using his spinning technique. Rengar was jungling near by, but he cannot arrive fast enough before the conclusion of this battle. Both ignites and exhausts go off, multiple potions are queued in panic 300 ELO desperation, and eventually the final blade of Demacia falls on the Noxian corpse.
  
  "First Blood" a loud voice announces to all those in the rift. The whole team laments over the 400 gold handed over to the enemy team. Garen has barely managed to survive, and the hemorrages caused by Darius's attacks are dropping his health bar ever so low. Rengar has arrived for the rescue, but too late to save the hand of Noxus. But he sees Garen running in to the brushes, with less than a hundred health! He gives chase, and though he cannot see the armored champion, he extends his arms to spread the tall grass apart.
  
  Demaciaaaaa! A blade strikes in to the chest of the hunter. Darius regains consciousness in the fountain, he checks his bag of gold to see that he has 240 gold, not enough to buy anything significant... he picks up a ward and a red potion when suddenly:
  
  "An ally has been slain"
  
  Now Garen has another 330 gold. He not only got first blood, he also killed the jungler.
  
  Results: Garen 730 kill gold, has blue and red buff. Darius no kill gold. Top lane is fucked. It only snowballs from here. 8 minutes later, the tower goes down and Garen is fed. As lane phase ends and team fighting begins, Garen becomes an unstoppable force of destruction. The team cannot help but blame Darius (and subsequently Rengar) for tossing the entire game.
  
  Back to the point at hand.
  
  The cat believes bush policies crippled Obama's first term harder than first blood in league of legends. Highly improbable, I say, if only because there's a reasonable limit to how bad things can get, and this is pretty bad.