According to Destiny, SC2 Will Be Dead By Second Expansion (in terms of popularity)

• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-24 05:45
  Kitae's been a hikikomori for too long now. :V
• Lolicon wrote on 2012-10-24 07:09

  Quote from Cucurbita;966679:

  Unfortunately thats not it. The pro teams understand 100% well.
  
  Its blizzard that doesn't. Blizzard gives the game very very little support.
  
  Basically, what Destiny is saying here is that there can't be fans if the game itself has no grounds for a casual audience. And its true. SC2 has absolutely no casual audience.

  
  
  Yup.
• Knightmehre wrote on 2012-10-25 09:14
  Did you guys see the state of the game where they flatout BM'd and ganged up on him? (With the exception of painuser, trying to be reasonable and acting like an actual adult)
  
  here's the gist of it if you missed it, it's pretty terrible and I lost all respect for DJWheat + Idra/incontrol
  
  [video=youtube;u4FTflKqQ58]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FTflKqQ58[/video]
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-25 19:37
  if anything djwheat is the biggest traitor
  casting for LoL
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-10-25 20:18
  DJWheat was supposed to be the moderator in that discussion, but he went way overboard and just flipped shit.
  
  More importantly, he was acting as a leadership figure in League of Legends, and a lot of LoL fans were expecting him to be the head of representatives for League. However, in this video, he couldn't stop expressing SC2 as "the better game" so he lost a lot of fans from League.
  
  Of course, he also lost a lot of fans from SC2 for saying it is doing great, and then jumping over to LoL.
  
  And then he lost a lot of fans all around for being really immature.
  
  Destiny not only was correct about everything he was saying, but his "improper method" as they all said it, worked. Did we get chat channels because Blizzard thought a year in to release "oh, we just noticed we dont have chat channel!" or because people whined and bitched for it? And here it is working again. You could argue that the community uproar was caused by Destiny, but it really wasn't. He was only the catalyst to what everyone has been feeling for the longest game. With that outburst, Destiny was contacted by a Blizzard employee promising changes, and now look what we have.
  
  http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7681240/Heart_of_the_Swarm_Preview_Leveling-10_25_2012
  
  And this is only the first of many features promised to be changed for attracting the casual audience. But Destiny said on his subreddit that he's not really impressed. In either case, its a good step forward, and it would never have happened if we, like the EG house suggested, kept quiet and did "our own things".
  
  He is being criticized for that "low blow exit", but the EG frat house ganging up on him that whole discussion, along with Idra saying "Go back to fucking LoL" and then inControl getting up to high five him really pissed Destiny off which led to the comment.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-25 20:21
  ... it's just xp and portraits
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-10-25 21:04

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;969360:

  ... it's just xp and portraits

  
  
  Its a linear progression, different from a w/l progression, on top of extra exp for "win of the days". They're incentives to play, since ladderphobia is a big thing in SC2.
  
  They will also be introducing non-ranked mmr matchmaking, which is pretty much a system that lets you play against people of similar levels to you without effecting a displayable score.
  
  Stuff like this is really necessary for casuals to enjoy the game without fear of the ladder.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-25 21:50
  psh casuals dont play vanilla sc2
  they just play the custom maps
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2012-10-25 21:52

  Quote from Komachi;965480:

  Depends on what you are comparing.
  
  SC1 bnet vs SC2 bnet, no
  
  WC3 bnet vs SC2 bnet, yes.
  
  First time reading that list I was thinking half the list was wrong because I was thinking SC1 vs SC2 but once you factor in WC3, yeah its true.

  
  Well Battle.net 2 sucks either way with such a non-feature list.
• Komachi wrote on 2012-10-25 23:07
  Here is more of what destiny has to say about reviving SC2.
  
  http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11m21k/starcraft_2_will_be_dead_before_legacy_of_the/
  
  What he said applies to me. I 99% of the time played UMS on SC1 and on SC2 i still play 99% custom games. I only play ladder when friends ask me to.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-28 07:12
  pretty confirmed Select leaving SC2
  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=377747
  

  Today we are sad to announce that SeleCT has announced his retirement in Starcraft II and will instead move on to pursue other eSport interests. SeleCT is looking to move to DOTA 2 and also is willing to make appearances as a Starcraft II pundit and translator at events. SeleCT joined us just over two years ago and we have been delighted to work with him during that time, SeleCT is a model professional and we wish him luck with his new endeavours.
  
  
  SeleCT had this to say regarding his situation;
  
  I finished high school in USA, and I was waiting for my Greencard to go to college. However, I heard sc2 open beta is out and I tried it. When I first played sc2, I was so captured by the game. The game was so smooth and fast as a RTS game. The more I play, the more I fell into the game. It was something different to other RTS games. That’s how I started sc2 competitively.
  
  I have won quite a lot of online tournaments, and got great result on offline tournaments. When all the people cheer for you and scream your name when you are at the stage, the feeling could not be explained by word. I gained big motivation from it and it was what made me keep trying hard.
  
  Recently, I feel that I am too old to play RTS games anymore as you get slower as you get older. Also so many young people who are fast are trying harder than me and practicing very systematically in their team house in Korea. I feel that it is very hard for me to catch up without living and practicing in Korea. So I have decided to quit sc2 and move on to some other.
  
  I am only quitting sc2, which means I am not retiring as a gamer  I love my life being a pro-gamer. I am actually thinking to switch back to Dota. I actually played Dota competitively before I start sc2. Back in dota 1, my team was one of the best NA team at some point. I am not sure how successful I will be as a dota player but I believe in myself.
  
  I would like to do some pundit work and translating at events. I don’t know how awkward it will be but haha… don’t be so surprised hehe because I am such a handsome nerd that’s how you guys called me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Please keep the loves on me! I will pay you back with good and fun stuff and please cheer me up in dota 2 scene as well 
  
  Always big thanks to team-dignitas. Always big love to my fans who cheers for me

  
  
  he was a pro in DotA 1 before SC2 so its not really surprising that he picked it up again
  
  streamed learning DotA 2 today
  Select clarified when he said he's slow for SC2, he meant in terms of decision making and thinking
  His APM's still ridiculous
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-10-28 07:54
  When Select says he's slow, you have to understand it in his perspective. These guys are burning 200~400 APM, and making dozen of decisions every second in-game. If he can't keep up with the top code S players, and then calls himself "too slow", that's like being an Olympic runner who ended in 4th place and saying he's not fast enough.
  
  I'm a little worried, but it looks like Destiny pretty much quit SC2. He's made no official statements, but for someone who went to a gaming house to practice SC2, he's spent the past few days playing nonstop League of Legends and taking lessons from PhantomLord instead.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-28 18:18
  Yeah I think Destiny will quit SC2 if nothing major changes in HotS
  which is most likely because the whole Blizzard business is not really transparent and the projects are poorly run
  He's not gonna win any tournaments and his income is from streaming
  people like Destiny for Destiny
  LoL is going to be good for him, he gets to talk a lot since he has his teammates
  and LoL players are the highest esports earners next to DotA 2
  
  also Select is Korean
  anything but first place is unacceptable
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-10-28 21:16
  Basically he got an email from Blizzard and it pissed him off so much that I don't think he's going to keep playing SC2.
  
  He said he's not allowed to post the content of the mail but from the gist of it I can make out that Blizzard has all these functions on hand but purposely hold it back for expansions to get sales.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-10-29 04:19
  the cat just realized Select is dodging military service
  and he's actually been planning the DotA thing for a while now
  2 months
  https://dotabuff.com/players/9286548