"Meditation causes the Durability of a Wand or a Staff to go down 1.75x faster"

• NomadTrooper wrote on 2012-10-21 05:15
  Where is this from?
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-21 05:40
  From here.
  Basically means: Not worth it/don't do it while holding a wand.
• Slayerj wrote on 2012-10-21 05:46
  ^^^^
  
  Uh, it's worth it. ._. If I don't have my medi on, even with my 570mp and -10% mp outfit and and -20% mp cost wand and -20% lighting mastery effect, my mana drains FAST. (Then again it's only really noticeable at night. During the day I GUESS it helps...)
• Sapphireoath wrote on 2012-10-21 05:56

  Quote from Slayerj;966865:

  ^^^^
  
  Uh, it's worth it. ._. If I don't have my medi on, even with my 570mp and -10% mp outfit and and -20% mp cost wand and -20% lighting mastery effect, my mana drains FAST. (Then again it's only really noticeable at night. During the day I GUESS it helps...)

  
  
  I can have nearly infinite Hide at Rank 9. Comes in handy between rooms/mob spawns though, and I still have yet to notice an increase of dura loss :P
• radionoise wrote on 2012-10-21 06:07
  Not that hard to test if someone wants to know for certain anyway.
  
  It could also be that it loses 1.75x as much durability from 5 minute tics and not from actual usage, which would mean it's not really anything worthwhile.
• abc33kr wrote on 2012-10-21 06:42
  Mana potion is so much cheaper than wand repair cost.
• NomadTrooper wrote on 2012-10-21 06:53

  Quote from RealityBreak;966861:

  From here.
  Basically means: Not worth it/don't do it while holding a wand.

  
  
  The wiki, that's the source? Not in game, not player testing, not in the game files? In the words of Wikipedia "[Citation Needed]"
  
  14 May 2011‎, is when Fallenone added that line to the wiki. No citation.
  19 September 2011‎, Fallenone says they've confirmed it to be true. Again, no citation.
  
  On Fallenone's discussion page, Hengsheng120 asked for a portion of charactercondition.xml and charactercondition.korean.txt that shows the status effects. There is no response to this.
  
  Checked Mabinogiworld forums, no discussion of meditations durability loss increase.
  
  I'll dig around more latter when I have time. Maybe look up those to files, post what I find since I can do that here since isn't the Spanish Inquisition, I mean the Nexon forums. Anyone with durability mods see a difference?
• radionoise wrote on 2012-10-21 07:28

  Quote from NomadTrooper;966882:

  The wiki, that's the source? Not in game, not player testing, not in the game files? In the words of Wikipedia "[Citation Needed]"

  
  
  You're free to spend 10 mins to test yourself and edit/leave unchanged the wiki as necessary. If it's there, at some point it had to have relevance. It might need more context or it might have changed since then, so if it matters to you simply test it.
• Froglord wrote on 2012-10-21 15:24
  I've never noticed any change in dura lose.
  
  I could use meditation and ice spear through ToA and only lose 1 dura.
  
  But here's another way.
  
  Go to a mana tunnel, and with a wand, spam healing.
  
  Healing uses 0.05 dura per charge, each full use eats up 0.25 dura.
  
  If it drains 1.75x faster, it would use up 0.0875 per charge, and 0.4375 dura per cast if you use all 5 charges.
  
  Now if you can use healing a full 4 times and it lowers the dura by 1, then it's the normal rate
  If it lowers the dura after 3 charges, meditation increases dura loss.
• radionoise wrote on 2012-10-21 15:29

  Quote from NomadTrooper;966882:

  I'll dig around more latter when I have time. Maybe look up those to files, post what I find since I can do that here since isn't the Spanish Inquisition, I mean the Nexon forums. Anyone with durability mods see a difference?

  
  
  You don't need durability mods and you don't need to jump through hoops in packfiles and wiki.
  
  All you need to do is go in their method with an unblessed NPC ice wand and shoot say, 100~200 icebolts at a zombie with meditation on and then repeat the same process without meditation on another unblessed NPC ice wand. It'll be obvious if there is such a difference if one loses 2~3 dura and the other 3~5 dura.
• NomadTrooper wrote on 2012-10-21 20:45
  Well, I've tested it using a stock ice wand with full durability, unblessed, using ice bolt on foxes in Tir Chonail.
  The result?
  [SPOILER="Spoiler"]
  Meditation OFF: 80 casts (16, 5 charged ice bolt) and one melee hit
  Meditation ON: 90 casts (18, 5 charged ice bolt) and one melee hit
  That's right, I used less durability with meditation on! But it is so close of a result that we can right it off as natural durability loss from wearing it during a server tick.
  
  Meditation has no effect on durability loss! This is why you test things always. [/SPOILER]
  [S]I'm going to make a video of me repeating this test, for a larger sample and evidence.[/S]
  Mabi's video time isn't long enough to post a vid...
• Kendoza wrote on 2012-10-21 21:03

  Quote from NomadTrooper;967053:

  Well, I've tested it using a stock ice wand with full durability, unblessed, using ice bolt on foxes in Tir Chonail.
  The result?
  [SPOILER="Spoiler"]
  Meditation OFF: 80 casts (16, 5 charged ice bolt) and one melee hit
  Meditation ON: 90 casts (18, 5 charged ice bolt) and one melee hit
  That's right, I used less durability with meditation on! But it is so close of a result that we can right it off as natural durability loss from wearing it during a server tick.
  
  Meditation has no effect on durability loss! This is why you test things always. I'm going to make a video of me repeating this test, for a larger sample and evidence.[/SPOILER]

  
  
  I always wondered if that was true or not. Thanks
• NomadTrooper wrote on 2012-10-21 22:00
  Ok, don't get to excited. I only tested it's effects on durability loss in combat. In Mabi, a item can lose durability from use, and from holding it. I only tested it's effects on combat. We still do not know if it raises passive durability loss. That will be much harder to test.
  
  I'm trying to make a video. It's 4 parts appended together for 20 minutes. There is some parts that didn't get recorded, but I didn't miss anything important. I missed 2 bolts from being recorded.
  
  The raw video is 6 gigs, and I am compressing it down to 1.6 gigs, but it's not enough. This would be the first video I've compressed, so I'm not good... Any advice?
  *edit*
  Gonna take 3 hours to upload...
  
  I'm betting this was a myth started by potion makers to drive up the demand for MP potions.
• Kueh wrote on 2012-10-21 22:06
  Do you really need a video? Shouldn't screenshots of your combat log and wand tool-top suffice?
• NomadTrooper wrote on 2012-10-21 22:59

  Quote from Kueh;967085:

  Do you really need a video? Shouldn't screenshots of your combat log and wand tool-top suffice?

  
  
  Combat log? Wand tool-top? Are there awesome features I don't know about!?
  
  *edit*
  3 hours wait to be told the file was to large... Stupid youtube.
  
  *edit*
  Removed frames, sped it up by 2x
  [video=youtube;J5yGMFOyrdg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yGMFOyrdg&feature=youtu.be[/video]
  If I counted right: 90 bolts fired with meditation OFF, 80 bolts fired with meditation ON to use 1 durability on each wand.
  The durability loss may not be exact between the to samples, but it so close it does not matter, and it is clearly no where NEAR 1.75x.