Upcoming Information about Lord Missions

• Chihaya wrote on 2012-11-08 17:29

  Quote from dragy148816;977827:

  I'm sure with...clay alchemy...and alchemy mastery... and summon golem ... and some summon golem/ clay alch efficiency reforges.... and some magic golems... it would be viable. It's a good way to avoid getting aggro on your character while still being able to fight within reason.

  
  
  I'd still have to disagree with this.
  How many people do you see using golems in Elite Missions? Golems are really only effective if the monster has some form of passive resistance that makes it extremely advantageous. This is most apparent in Peaca Normal (or even intermediate) where a golems are disposable. Elite missions? Advanced Fighters and Lancers will produce a much higher DPS.
  
  On the other hand, look at the characteristics of Lord Missions. with the extreme HP and the necessity to keep the monsters in a group (to utilize AoE attacks), the only useful move for a Golem, windmill, is near worthless.
  
  Use the Golem windmill in Lord missions. Monsters will be pushed apart, people will die, and they will put all the blame on the golem user. Plus, it's not like the golem user is safe, either. Aggro range of Lord mission monsters are over 1500, very slightly less than that of a Golem Control Range. In some missions where monsters appear 30 in a group, I'm not sure if that's going to be a good idea.
  
  However, alchemists can definitely help with Shock, which is a great stunner at r1. I don't know why KR players refrain from using this, nor even mention it.
  And yes, Golems are a viable choice, but with the very limited use, and the requirement of continuous supply of crystals as well as cost of equipment, Golems aren't really worth too much
• Chihaya wrote on 2012-11-08 17:29

  Quote from dragy148816;977827:

  I'm sure with...clay alchemy...and alchemy mastery... and summon golem ... and some summon golem/ clay alch efficiency reforges.... and some magic golems... it would be viable. It's a good way to avoid getting aggro on your character while still being able to fight within reason.

  
  
  I'd still have to disagree with this.
  How many people do you see using golems in Elite Missions? Golems are really only effective if the monster has some form of passive resistance that makes it extremely advantageous. This is most apparent in Peaca Normal (or even intermediate) where golems are disposable. Elite missions? Advanced Fighters and Lancers will produce a much higher DPS.
  
  On the other hand, look at the characteristics of Lord Missions. with the extreme HP and the necessity to keep the monsters in a group (to utilize AoE attacks), the only useful move for a Golem, windmill, is near worthless.
  
  Use the Golem windmill in Lord missions. Monsters will be pushed apart, people will die, and they will put all the blame on the golem user. Plus, it's not like the golem user is safe, either. Aggro range of Lord mission monsters are over 1500, very slightly less than that of a Golem Control Range. In some missions where monsters appear 30 in a group, I'm not sure if that's going to be a good idea.
  
  However, alchemists can definitely help with Shock, which is a great stunner at r1. I don't know why KR players refrain from using this, nor even mention it.
  And yes, Golems are a viable choice, but with the very limited use, and the requirement of continuous supply of crystals as well as cost of equipment, Golems aren't really worth too much
• dragy148816 wrote on 2012-11-08 18:59

  Quote from Chihaya;977845:

  I'd still have to disagree with this.
  How many people do you see using golems in Elite Missions? Golems are really only effective if the monster has some form of passive resistance that makes it extremely advantageous. This is most apparent in Peaca Normal (or even intermediate) where golems are disposable. Elite missions? Advanced Fighters and Lancers will produce a much higher DPS.
  
  On the other hand, look at the characteristics of Lord Missions. with the extreme HP and the necessity to keep the monsters in a group (to utilize AoE attacks), the only useful move for a Golem, windmill, is near worthless.
  
  Use the Golem windmill in Lord missions. Monsters will be pushed apart, people will die, and they will put all the blame on the golem user. Plus, it's not like the golem user is safe, either. Aggro range of Lord mission monsters are over 1500, very slightly less than that of a Golem Control Range. In some missions where monsters appear 30 in a group, I'm not sure if that's going to be a good idea.
  
  However, alchemists can definitely help with Shock, which is a great stunner at r1. I don't know why KR players refrain from using this, nor even mention it.
  And yes, Golems are a viable choice, but with the very limited use, and the requirement of continuous supply of crystals as well as cost of equipment, Golems aren't really worth too much

  
  
  Point taken. However, these lord missions were made to be incredibly challenging, and I personally would refrain from saying that one class has a bigger advantage over another in any mission, regardless of whether it is true or not, since all classes are viable, and should not be misunderstood to be completely useless.
  
  My previous post was simply to restore some hope in alchemy in one form or another. I was simply stating a way the alchemists or people who want to use alchemy in lord missions COULD use it. Of course, they will not do as much damage as other classes due to the very nature of alchemy and how gear based it is, but its just a possibility for alchemists.
  
  I agree with your statement about shock, its a good way for alchemists to be useful; however, most parties probably want people that are damage oriented to eliminate monsters faster, and shock doesn't do damage. it keeps monsters together for AOE damage, but i personally prefer to smash individuals over windmilling a large group or monsters (i'd prefer to avoid multi-aggro where i can.)
  
  Because combat is so hectic, especially when people are desperate to stay alive in such challenging missions, you can't rely on people using shock to group up monsters and then waiting for someone to use thunder or something that WONT move the monsters apart. You can also guarantee that warriors and fighters and lancers will come and start smashing/ windmilling/ spreading the mobs in some way, so shock loses most of its value there.
  
  It's kinda like Communism; in theory, its great, but in reality it's not effective.
• Tropacat wrote on 2012-11-08 19:12

  Quote from dragy148816;977827:

  I'm sure with...clay alchemy...and alchemy mastery... and summon golem ... and some summon golem/ clay alch efficiency reforges.... and some magic golems... it would be viable. It's a good way to avoid getting aggro on your character while still being able to fight within reason.

  
  
  Nope, their still good arrgo magnets tho
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-11-08 19:13
  Are we getting a lot of PDR in these missions?
• newpants wrote on 2012-11-08 19:18
  that crash shot/lance switch ...
  
  i'm guessing that they get the added bonus of lance's penetration qualities?
• Chihaya wrote on 2012-11-08 21:53

  Quote from RealityBreak;977920:

  Are we getting a lot of PDR in these missions?

  
  
  Sorry, but you'll have to enlighten me about what a PDR means XD
  
  

  Quote from newpants;977923:

  that crash shot/lance switch ...
  
  i'm guessing that they get the added bonus of lance's penetration qualities?

  
  
  Yep o3o
  Wish they had it in NA. It would be such a huge incentive for me to work on lances
• Eliirae wrote on 2012-11-10 16:19
  Merrow! Yay! And I'm only about 2200 levels or so away from these miss------*is a mage*....Darn it, Nexon!
  
  Either way, it was nice of you to translate all of this!
• Chaosruler wrote on 2012-11-13 03:12

  Quote from Chihaya;978001:

  Originally Posted by newpants
  that crash shot/lance switch ...
  
  i'm guessing that they get the added bonus of lance's penetration qualities?
  
  Yep o3o
  Wish they had it in NA. It would be such a huge incentive for me to work on lances

  
  
  that would be nice -3- ... that is if i was a human :x
  
  yea if 3k the min lvl range, im still ~700 lvls away from being helpful :/
  and i guess its time to make a range path elb
• Aubog007 wrote on 2012-11-13 06:18
  Shock interrupts fighter and puppet, not to mention it desyncs the person who casted it, if i used shock, i would essentially be worthless.
• Infighter wrote on 2012-11-14 01:56
  If I use a golem, it would be for (most likely) a tanker, that instead of monsters aiming a party member, it hits the golem, considering its high hp and defense, but as an attacker, I agree, its worthless.
• Chihaya wrote on 2012-11-14 19:27

  Quote from Infighter;980777:

  If I use a golem, it would be for (most likely) a tanker, that instead of monsters aiming a party member, it hits the golem, considering its high hp and defense, but as an attacker, I agree, its worthless.

  
  
  Absolutely correct, but tanking doesn't really help here... Maybe in the "Secret of Scathach Cave", but in the other two missions...
  Belvast: 2nd part of the mission requires you to obliterate monsters in 30 seconds. You should be on offensive strategy for this.
  Convoy: ~30 monster spawn. With the high attack of monsters generally, your Golem's not going to be able to tank too much hits.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2012-11-14 19:52
  ... Kind of late to ask but what was cs+lance switch?
• Cookies wrote on 2012-11-15 07:46
  There were videos of the missions on youtube already, didn't see any mentions of them here after a quick search so here they are
  
  Hostage Rescue
  [spoiler]
  uploaded by Ui Sig Moon
  [video=youtube;EIAVtTKFQ4Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIAVtTKFQ4Q[/video]
  [/spoiler]
  
  Abb Neagh Convoy
  [spoiler]
  uploaded by Ui Sig Moon
  [video=youtube;ph9G3BWbSNk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph9G3BWbSNk[/video]
  [/spoiler]
  v2
  [spoiler]
  uploaded by cherrymaycry
  [video=youtube;pyy1KU_Nlaw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyy1KU_Nlaw[/video]
  [/spoiler]
  
  Scathach Cave
  [spoiler]
  uploaded by Ui Sig Moon
  [video=youtube;AOI7UglYXdY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOI7UglYXdY[/video]
  [/spoiler]
• Wittykitty wrote on 2012-11-15 16:58
  Hostage Rescue- not seeing much that's too difficult. If anything, there's gonna be loads of time to launch fireball, of all things- take out those mobs as people whittle'em down.
  
  Convoy- yay for IS chains, here, even with resists- if you can kill at least one thing, the rest are gonna feel it. Thunder -could- be good too, if there's resists in that crowd? Fireball; too slow, but if you DID manage to get a couple mages launching it- pain will commence. Immense, horrible pain. But this last one is a massive if.
  
  Scath- ohcrap. Not gonna be much time or room for casting- might want to just load up fusion bolts and Party Heal from behind.
  
  I don't think mages are half as screwed as people say- I'm well in the camp of 'mages need a buff', but I can see chances to nuke and ways to be effective in the above vids.
  
  Of course, we'll have to wait to play'em ourselves to really tell. Still, here's hoping for new mage stuffs... in G18 TwT
  
  As for alchemists- I feel so much pity. So, so much. :<