Enrias's complete guide to magic.

• Clarey wrote on 2012-12-25 17:51

  Quote from Chihaya;976361:

  I'm just going to be an asshole and comment that mages SUCK for Lord Missions.
  
  Sorry! XP

  
  
  Not if you have the right party, half the battle of being a mage is running things with people who understand the spells, however by the sounds of it you don't have magic ranked or you would know how to deal in harder missions.
  
  Fireball is a very useful skill in nearly every situation if you know when to switch to another, even Hailstorm is the same way, very high damage output. If you are a mage and struggle with parties then you need to explain how certain magic works to most people.
  
  For example 95% of mages will thunder a monster just to have someone run up and smash it because they don't KNOW that it cancels some of the thunder charges by doing that. Or don't realize not to windmill in the middle of a group when someone is trying to drop a fireball. On top of that if you have a good mage with lets see, my mana pool can get up to 800 and I've got rank 6 mana shield that scales off of my int, with the mass amount of potions I make for myself, I don't die, AND I can even tank multiagro that most can't because of it, allowing for others to regroup, revive and heal while I'm tanking.
  
  TL;DR if you think mages suck at lord missions, either you haven't had a mage that KNOWS what they are doing, or your running with an ignorant party that doesn't know how to adjust for magic.
• Valkyrio wrote on 2012-12-26 00:26

  Quote from Clarey;1003842:

  Not if you have the right party, half the battle of being a mage is running things with people who understand the spells, however by the sounds of it you don't have magic ranked or you would know how to deal in harder missions.
  
  Fireball is a very useful skill in nearly every situation if you know when to switch to another, even Hailstorm is the same way, very high damage output. If you are a mage and struggle with parties then you need to explain how certain magic works to most people.
  
  For example 95% of mages will thunder a monster just to have someone run up and smash it because they don't KNOW that it cancels some of the thunder charges by doing that. Or don't realize not to windmill in the middle of a group when someone is trying to drop a fireball. On top of that if you have a good mage with lets see, my mana pool can get up to 800 and I've got rank 6 mana shield that scales off of my int, with the mass amount of potions I make for myself, I don't die, AND I can even tank multiagro that most can't because of it, allowing for others to regroup, revive and heal while I'm tanking.
  
  TL;DR if you think mages suck at lord missions, either you haven't had a mage that KNOWS what they are doing, or your running with an ignorant party that doesn't know how to adjust for magic.

  
  
  I think it might have more to do with the fact that things in Lord missions might have passive defenses (so they won't give two shits if you thunder, they'll just come up to you and kill you) and the fact that magic is quickly becoming obsolete in terms of damage.
• Eliirae wrote on 2012-12-26 03:45

  Quote from Clarey;1003842:

  Not if you have the right party, half the battle of being a mage is running things with people who understand the spells, however by the sounds of it you don't have magic ranked or you would know how to deal in harder missions.
  
  Fireball is a very useful skill in nearly every situation if you know when to switch to another, even Hailstorm is the same way, very high damage output. If you are a mage and struggle with parties then you need to explain how certain magic works to most people.
  
  For example 95% of mages will thunder a monster just to have someone run up and smash it because they don't KNOW that it cancels some of the thunder charges by doing that. Or don't realize not to windmill in the middle of a group when someone is trying to drop a fireball. On top of that if you have a good mage with lets see, my mana pool can get up to 800 and I've got rank 6 mana shield that scales off of my int, with the mass amount of potions I make for myself, I don't die, AND I can even tank multiagro that most can't because of it, allowing for others to regroup, revive and heal while I'm tanking.
  
  TL;DR if you think mages suck at lord missions, either you haven't had a mage that KNOWS what they are doing, or your running with an ignorant party that doesn't know how to adjust for magic.

  
  
  Problem is running up and smashing an enemy or running into a group and WMing them is faster and does more damage than the thunder/fireball would have done. That's NOT okay if the mage has to literally tell their team to SLOW DOWN because they want to feel useful.
• Clarey wrote on 2012-12-27 00:43
  Eh, like I said if you have issues in lord missions as a mage, you really don't know what you are doing or your running with an ignorant party.
• Valkyrio wrote on 2012-12-27 01:04

  Quote from Clarey;1004375:

  Eh, like I said if you have issues in lord missions as a mage, you really don't know what you are doing or your running with an ignorant party.

  
  
  lol. Put your fingers in your ears all you want, but magic DPS has been left far behind fighter, melee and ranged.
• Clarey wrote on 2012-12-27 02:19

  Quote from Valkyrio;1004385:

  lol. Put your fingers in your ears all you want, but magic DPS has been left far behind fighter, melee and ranged.

  
  
  Never said it did, was just saying that most people who complain about mages don't know how to play them. And with the cooldowns to Crash Shot, an archer can't outdamage a mage, they really can't lol. Melee only can really if they are using lances because they made them extremely strong, finally fighter is easily the strongest SINGLE TARGET damage you can do, however what happens with multiaggro? Where as a mage can handle multi better then a fighter could.
• Valkyrio wrote on 2012-12-27 03:57

  Quote from Clarey;1004408:

  Never said it did, was just saying that most people who complain about mages don't know how to play them. And with the cooldowns to Crash Shot, an archer can't outdamage a mage, they really can't lol. Melee only can really if they are using lances because they made them extremely strong, finally fighter is easily the strongest SINGLE TARGET damage you can do, however what happens with multiaggro? Where as a mage can handle multi better then a fighter could.

  
  
  Except in the time it takes to cast/damage to be done with thunder (Standby time), IS(Freeze time), or fireball(Charge time), an archer has already used two to four crash shots. Their cool down also doesn't prevent them from casting other things either - like spamming magnum while they wait for the CD.
  
  On top of that, IS disables monsters so that they can't get hit by anything else, Thunder monsters can't get hit because otherwise the mages get killed, and the monsters in lord missions won't die in one fireball.
  
  I have a pure mage, but I'm not going to pretend that magic is relevant end game. It's really not.
• Llama wrote on 2012-12-27 12:13

  Quote from Valkyrio;1004456:

  On top of that, IS disables monsters so that they can't get hit by anything else

  
  
  They can get hit by Flame Burst and i think Crash Shot Fragment too
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-01-29 20:24
  Are you still working on this guide?