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BizarreJuju wrote on 2013-04-21 18:16
Quote from Chiyuri;1072618:
I started traditionnal cause drawing with a mouse is beyond my abilities.
once I get a table I'll probably draw everything digital with photoshop.
Its better to improve drawing traditionally before doing everything digital.
Anyone can draw using a tablet, however most cant draw with pencil on paper.
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Hanna wrote on 2013-04-21 19:28
Quote from BizarreJuju;1072719:
Its better to improve drawing traditionally before doing everything digital.
Anyone can draw using a tablet, however most cant draw with pencil on paper.
unless they're shading, there isn't much of a difference
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BizarreJuju wrote on 2013-04-21 20:50
Quote from Hanna;1072739:
unless they're shading, there isn't much of a difference
There isn't much of difference? Hahaha~ what?
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Chiyuri wrote on 2013-04-21 23:36
Quote from BizarreJuju;1072719:
Its better to improve drawing traditionally before doing everything digital.
Anyone can draw using a tablet, however most cant draw with pencil on paper.
isn't drawing on a tablet the same as drawing on a paper?
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Mentosftw wrote on 2013-04-22 00:03
Ha.
No, with stylus and tablet, there's only two modes: either the stylus is on or off the tablet.
With paper, there's pressure, different lead grades, shading techniques, different amounts of detail, many times more micro space compared to pixels. How you hold your pencil and apply it to the paper even affects how your lines will look. There's much more to list but the biggest thing that sets it apart is the fact that the "skill" for pen and paper is all required from the artist but with tablet and stylus, while you still need a lot of skill to draw, a lot of the mechanical techniques are replaced by what the paint tool program is capable of in terms of brushes and other editing tools. With tablet and stylus, your mechanical skills are largely replaced by KNOWING how to use those programs to replicate the same effects you would achieve in real life or use them do things that would not be possible in real life.
I guess an even bigger contrast is pixel art vs rl drawing. In pixel art, I have to do a lot of counting and I have to think and test how one different color pixel will affect the pixels around them.
Of course, I'm not saying that digital art requires no skill or art knowledge, it's just done in a different application.
I guess it would be like comparing hard disk drives with solid state drives. Both have the same function but it's difficult to compare them properly because one has largely mechanical features while the other relies on much more on digital software.
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Chiyuri wrote on 2013-04-22 00:09
Quote from Mentosftw;1072830:
Ha.
No, with stylus and tablet, there's only two modes: either the stylus is on or off the tablet.
With paper, there's pressure, different lead grades, shading techniques, different amounts of detail, many times more micro space compared to pixels. How you hold your pencil and apply it to the paper even affects how your lines will look. There's much more to list but the biggest thing that sets it apart is the fact that the "skill" for pen and paper is all required from the artist but with tablet and stylus, while you still need a lot of skill to draw, a lot of the mechanical techniques are replaced by what the paint tool program is capable of in terms of brushes and other editing tools. With tablet and stylus, your mechanical skills are largely replaced by KNOWING how to use those programs to replicate the same effects you would achieve in real life or use them do things that would not be possible in real life.
I guess an even bigger contrast is pixel art vs rl drawing. In pixel art, I have to do a lot of counting and I have to think and test how one different color pixel will affect the pixels around them.
Of course, I'm not saying that digital art requires no skill or art knowledge, it's just done in a different application.
I guess it would be like comparing hard disk drives with solid state drives. Both have the same function but it's difficult to compare them properly because one has largely mechanical features while the other relies on much more on digital software.
oh.. I was pretty sure some tablet had pressure sensitivity.
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Mentosftw wrote on 2013-04-22 00:12
*googles*
Oh you're right. But even so the feel will be different because the pressure is only emulated and it'll be different when compared to real life.
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Hanna wrote on 2013-04-22 00:56
Quote from Mentosftw;1072830:
Ha.
No, with stylus and tablet, there's only two modes: either the stylus is on or off the tablet.
With paper, there's pressure, different lead grades, shading techniques, different amounts of detail, many times more micro space compared to pixels. How you hold your pencil and apply it to the paper even affects how your lines will look. There's much more to list but the biggest thing that sets it apart is the fact that the "skill" for pen and paper is all required from the artist but with tablet and stylus, while you still need a lot of skill to draw, a lot of the mechanical techniques are replaced by what the paint tool program is capable of in terms of brushes and other editing tools. With tablet and stylus, your mechanical skills are largely replaced by KNOWING how to use those programs to replicate the same effects you would achieve in real life or use them do things that would not be possible in real life.
I guess an even bigger contrast is pixel art vs rl drawing. In pixel art, I have to do a lot of counting and I have to think and test how one different color pixel will affect the pixels around them.
Of course, I'm not saying that digital art requires no skill or art knowledge, it's just done in a different application.
I guess it would be like comparing hard disk drives with solid state drives. Both have the same function but it's difficult to compare them properly because one has largely mechanical features while the other relies on much more on digital software.
I have done both and literally have see no difference on how I draw on paper and how I draw on a tablet, I just find using a tablet easier because I don't need an eraser and different graphite pencils because it's all in the program I use.
to me, it's just a matter of what you prefer, and I know you're not doing this but I see a lot of people on both ends trying to act like the other is better.
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otto wrote on 2013-04-22 01:16
Quote from BizarreJuju;1072719:
Its better to improve drawing traditionally before doing everything digital.
Anyone can draw using a tablet, however most cant draw with pencil on paper.
But can they draw
well?
I agree that getting used to drawing traditionally first is best, but I think you've got it backwards.
The learning curve is different for everyone, but drawing on a tablet and drawing on paper are very different.
Your hand movement is very limited with a tablet compared to moving on paper, and getting used to the pen pressure can be tricky depending on the program you use. At the end of the day, you have much more control over and can manipulate a pencil in your hand better than a pen tablet.
If you're used to drawing on paper, tablets will take some time to get used to and they're not for everyone.
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Hanna wrote on 2013-04-22 01:21
Quote from otto;1072867:
The learning curve is different for everyone, but drawing on a tablet and drawing on paper are very different.
Your hand movement is very limited with a tablet compared to moving on paper, and getting used to the pen pressure can be tricky depending on the program you use. At the end of the day, you have much more control over and can manipulate a pencil in your hand better than a pen tablet.
If you're used to drawing on paper, tablets will take some time to get used to and they're not for everyone.
oh i know i was just using my own experiences and using what i've read in this post to suggest that she might prefer a tablet
it's just what juju said was utter bullshit because both require skill and i'm sure if someone can use one, they can easily learn to use the other
someone who drew something digitally could probably draw the exact same thing on paper
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otto wrote on 2013-04-22 01:30
Oh it wasnt to you in particular, hun I was just replying in general.
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Chiyuri wrote on 2013-04-22 01:56
Yea.. I mostly want a table so I can easily errace what I don't need without dirtying the paper all the time, having something close to lineart right from the start (cause drawing by hand, taking a picture and then redoing all of the lines digitaly with a mouse is just horribly long) and finally, when adding colors digitally, I feel so contrained my the mouse.. it just doesn't apply colors the way I want it to, doesn't move like a pensil do.
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BizarreJuju wrote on 2013-04-22 06:02
Quote from Chiyuri;1072890:
Yea.. I mostly want a table so I can easily errace what I don't need without dirtying the paper all the time, having something close to lineart right from the start (cause drawing by hand, taking a picture and then redoing all of the lines digitaly with a mouse is just horribly long) and finally, when adding colors digitally, I feel so contrained my the mouse.. it just doesn't apply colors the way I want it to, doesn't move like a pensil do.
Another method is to finish your pencil work with pen (ballpoint) or Marker (I prefer prismacolor). Since you don't have a tablet, you can try adjusting your scanned/photo taken drawing to make the line appear darker. Then apply color under the adjusted line work using color layers as multiply
Quote from Chiyuri;1072819:
isn't drawing on a tablet the same as drawing on a paper?
Mentosftw and Otto gave a nice comparison between the two. For me the biggest difference between the two is the working dimension and the easily accessible tools when drawing digitally.
However the sole reason I started the whole "do traditional than digital" is that you don't own a tablet "yet". Even if you own one, I wouldn't know if the tablet would end up "catching dust" like other folks who have purchased one. Continue drawing more on paper/sketchbook. Regardless if you or other bimbos think its a pain in the ass (or not), traditional medium is still useful tool when it comes to drawing. They are easily accessible, portable, physically exist, and a strong portfolio. Gaining the skill without relying on a third-party tool will greatly prepare you before getting a tablet.
Also mistakes on paper are not always bad.
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Chiyuri wrote on 2013-04-22 11:11
Quote from BizarreJuju;1073004:
Another method is to finish your pencil work with pen (ballpoint) or Marker (I prefer prismacolor). Since you don't have a tablet, you can try adjusting your scanned/photo taken drawing to make the line appear darker. Then apply color under the adjusted line work using color layers as multiply
Mentosftw and Otto gave a nice comparison between the two. For me the biggest difference between the two is the working dimension and the easily accessible tools when drawing digitally.
However the sole reason I started the whole "do traditional than digital" is that you don't own a tablet "yet". Even if you own one, I wouldn't know if the tablet would end up "catching dust" like other folks who have purchased one. Continue drawing more on paper/sketchbook. Regardless if you or other bimbos think its a pain in the ass (or not), traditional medium is still useful tool when it comes to drawing. They are easily accessible, portable, physically exist, and a strong portfolio. Gaining the skill without relying on a third-party tool will greatly prepare you before getting a tablet. Also mistakes on paper are not always bad.
I have to use my cellphone to take a picture as I have neither camera nor scanner
And with paper I just feel limited. There is a limit to the amount of time I can redraw a line before it leave a permanent trace on the paper.. so I feel limited to the amount of retries I can do. for example my lastest drawing I was forced to end it like what it is right now as I reached the limit of redrawing.
But yea.. even if I did get a tablet (which I plan to after I update my computer hardware) I'll probably still sheldomly draw on paper.
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Hanna wrote on 2013-04-22 14:05
Quote from BizarreJuju;1073004:
Another method is to finish your pencil work with pen (ballpoint) or Marker (I prefer prismacolor). Since you don't have a tablet, you can try adjusting your scanned/photo taken drawing to make the line appear darker. Then apply color under the adjusted line work using color layers as multiply
Mentosftw and Otto gave a nice comparison between the two. For me the biggest difference between the two is the working dimension and the easily accessible tools when drawing digitally.
However the sole reason I started the whole "do traditional than digital" is that you don't own a tablet "yet". Even if you own one, I wouldn't know if the tablet would end up "catching dust" like other folks who have purchased one. Continue drawing more on paper/sketchbook. Regardless if you or other bimbos think its a pain in the ass (or not), traditional medium is still useful tool when it comes to drawing. They are easily accessible, portable, physically exist, and a strong portfolio. Gaining the skill without relying on a third-party tool will greatly prepare you before getting a tablet. Also mistakes on paper are not always bad.
well said