Puppetry guide, No Strings attached!

• Azareel wrote on 2013-02-10 19:43

  Quote from Darkboy132;1030001:

  Snare gets interrupt if someone else knocks it back/down. I can't see how its useful in party play if it only gets stunned for so short.

  
  
  Mages: Can charge spells while enemy is stuck.
  Archers: Can fully aim/set up for more DPS.
  Alchemists: Can take the time to freeze, shock, etc.
  Meleers/Lancers: lolwut?
  Fighters: Can prepare a full charge of Focused Fist and start a combo.
  Bards/Clerics: Can debuff/doublebuff/heal/whatever.
  Gunners: Can reload and spam frenzied normal hits.
  All: Useful for saving someone from dying in a derpsituation.
  When the enemy has AHS: ANYTHING GOES. Hulk smash the target to your heart's content, because it's not gonna get to do anything.
  
  
  You clearly didn't look very hard. Being able to buy time without hindering others is always fabulous in party play.
  
  
  Edit: "Flaming Crisis" is probably more effective with Hailstorm than any other skill. Just saying.
• Blassreiter wrote on 2013-02-10 20:10
  I don't know if this was discussed or proven (maybe it was the lag) but the third hit of a Pierrot Marionette's Act 2 initiates slower than the Colossus Marionette. I.E. if I use Act 2 with a Pierrot on an enemy using Counter/Defense the Pierrot will activate the enemy's Counter/Defense because she takes a while to land the third hit of Act 2. I experienced during the Puppetry Event on the Bisque Dolls so it maybe only limited to them or I'm lagging.
• Grumpycat wrote on 2013-02-10 20:16

  Quote from Darkboy132;1030001:

  At long last, a puppetry guide!
  
  But there's tons of errors and missing stuff:

  
  
  

  • You need to mention the pros and cons. And I know from experience that puppetry has one too many flaws.

  
  
  Maybe I should, add a Pros/Cons section
  
  

  • Absolutely NONE of the Puppetry Skills can wound, which is ironic since Control Bars have max injury.

  
  
  Wounds don't even matter that much.
  
  

  • 70% extra damage from player only occurs through Control Marionette. If Act 7 goes out of control range or Act 9 is in AI mode, they don't get extra damage.

  
  
  Doesn't really matter, the first two hits will nearly the sameg damage.
  
  

  • Wire Pull does not stop the enemy in its tracks, so its not a good idea to use if they're charging towards you.

  
  
  Thats why you use Snare or Counter
  
  

  • Snare works on Blinkers, too.

  
  
  Good to know, adding.
  
  

  • Snare gets interrupt if someone else knocks it back/down. I can't see how its useful in party play if it only gets stunned for so short.

  
  
  It's meant for buying time or living someone's life by completely stoping the enemy.
  
  

  • Snare causes you to get delayed for a full second after detachment.

  
  
  I don't really notice it, may it's cause I just use it for like a second and cancelling it out.
  
  

  • Since when the fuck did Snare cause knockdown? Never.

  
  
  Edited it.
  
  

  • What the hell is Act 3? No such thing!

  
  
  ?
  
  

  • Pierrot's Threshold Cutter's animation extends further than Colossus'.

  
  
  Didn't really notice a difference.
  
  

  • If someone pushes an enemy out of Threshold Cutter, the remainder of TC's attacks will not connect, and will piss you off.

  
  
  Meh, stuff happens, should run with people who know what they're doing.
  
  

  • Crisis causes enemies to be invulnerable to attack for a short time. This will anger your teammates.

  
  
  I think this is a glitch, but party memebers should be able to know about the invincibility frames.
  
  

  • According to Crisis' in-game data, it does NOT provide Magic Defense.

  
  
  Edited, thought this is hard to test.
  
  

  • Crisis and Climactic Crash eat your stamina while its loaded, so its not good to keep it like that.

  
  
  Thats something to keep in mind, as well.
  
  

  • You forgot to mention that Huw revives and fully heals marionettes for just 200g.

  
  
  Okay, I'll go to Emain everytime my Marionettes get a dent on them
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2013-02-10 20:34

  Quote from Grumpycat;1030031:

  Wounds don't even matter that much.
  
  Against something like Glas, they do. Regardless of the situation, they're still a good stat.
  
  ?
  
  "Act 3: Threshold Cutter"
  
  Didn't really notice a difference.
  
  Its the reason why Marionettes get countered.

  
  
  Some other things:
  

  
  
  • Con: All Act Skills except 2 aim for the center of the target's hitbox, like Assault Slash. Makes targeting big hitbox enemies (like the giant snakes in the snake event) difficult to target.
    
  • All training (aside from Marionettes of course) can be done at Tir Chonaill Graveyard. Spiders are pretty clustered there, though you may need to group them. Also, Act 4 only goes up to attacking 6 enemies, not 8.
    
• Chihaya wrote on 2013-02-11 00:55

  Quote from Darkboy132;1030036:

  Some other things:
  

  
  
  • Con: All Act Skills except 2 aim for the center of the target's hitbox, like Assault Slash. Makes targeting big hitbox enemies (like the giant snakes in the snake event) difficult to target.
    
  • All training (aside from Marionettes of course) can be done at Tir Chonaill Graveyard. Spiders are pretty clustered there, though you may need to group them. Also, Act 4 only goes up to attacking 6 enemies, not 8.
    

  
  
  For training Rising action and Crisis, I like Other Alchemists or Sulfur Spider basic.
  The other stuff... Raccoons or Foxes work just fine.
  
  EDIT: Fack. can't rep >:|
• Sukima wrote on 2013-02-11 02:32

  Quote from radionoise;1029954:

  And invented act 3.

  
  
  I think OP was just using the whole act theme as a way to structure their guide and theme it and stuff.
• radionoise wrote on 2013-02-11 02:35

  Quote from Sukima;1030218:

  I think OP was just using the whole act theme as a way to structure their guide and theme it and stuff.

  
  
  Scroll down past that. Or Ctrl + F act 3.
• Sukima wrote on 2013-02-11 02:37

  Act 3: Threshold Cutter[Offensive]

  
  
  

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• mageisfun wrote on 2013-02-11 02:55
  Pretty nice guide, I'm sure it'll come in handy for when I start puppetry after fighter. Also, just a recommendation, you should add a section that talks about gear and enchants. Also, if you do add enchants, I would only add enchants that give your puppet damage to your handles, otherwise most people would probably want enchants that add to their damage for everything else. :D
• Dracius wrote on 2013-02-11 12:15
  Just asking, is Puppetry a viable option for beginners, like the stats/bonuses from ranking the skills are enough to put out some decent damage?
  Or do you really need to build up a good base STR/DEX foundation before hoping to achieve anything with it?
• Grumpycat wrote on 2013-02-11 14:48

  Quote from Dracius;1030609:

  Just asking, is Puppetry a viable option for beginners, like the stats/bonuses from ranking the skills are enough to put out some decent damage?
  Or do you really need to build up a good base STR/DEX foundation before hoping to achieve anything with it?

  
  
  Hmm, I'm not completely sure about it being a good starter skill set, it can hit pretty hard without that much STR/DEX, but I suggest ranking a few ranged or Warrior skill before starting it(I suggest warrior, tho)
  
  
  and sorry guys, I'll work on the enchant set later, not feeling well right now, need to rest
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-02-12 09:25
  Dont forget Crisis and Thier Method is a good spot cuz you can wait for cooldown and the have 5 Zombies except end which has like 12
• Chihaya wrote on 2013-02-12 19:17

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1031359:

  Dont forget Crisis and Thier Method is a good spot cuz you can wait for cooldown and the have 5 Zombies except end which has like 12

  
  
  It's 4.
  That's actually a very nice idea, but the highest ranks of Crisis requires an 8-monster mob.
  Unless you get two zombie spawn groups right next to each other or spam the boss room in their method, it's going to be much more difficult to rank Crisis in the higher ranks.
  
  Instead, as I've suggested, Other Alchemists and Sulfur spiders have a large number of spawns, and you don't really need to worry about monsters surviving, if you do them on basic, int, or even advanced.
  
  The latter, additionally, offers a far better reward in terms of exp and gold should you decide to complete it.
  
  Question though: What's the approximate drop rate of Colossus from Amethyst and Crystal Golems? I've been fighting them recently, but I can tell that the drop rate is far less than 0.5%, which doesn't seem right. (Or maybe I'm just unlucky)
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2013-02-13 03:29
  I found a neat trick to deal with those offering circles: put your marionette in the center and use Crisis. If your marionette's strong enough, they would probably die in one hit and land directly in the circle. If not, use Climactic or Rising immediately since they'll just bounce in the circle.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-02-13 07:13

  Quote from Darkboy132;1031749:

  I found a neat trick to deal with those offering circles: put your marionette in the center and use Crisis. If your marionette's strong enough, they would probably die in one hit and land directly in the circle. If not, use Climactic or Rising immediately since they'll just bounce in the circle.

  
  
  Just use rising immediately, dont use crash because one second of bad timing can make them get knocked back.
  
  2 crits can clear elite mobs without needing cleanup.