[KR TEST] Armor masteries and stat/skill rebalancing

• Perfectio wrote on 2013-03-23 00:05
  Heavy Armor is utter trash now. It's even WORSE than it was before unless you're a pure mage or alch (which is way more viable than before). Wearing heavy armor flat out ruins 2 talents, and makes melee and fighter a lot less reliable even for giants.
  
  Light Armor is the new practical endgame now, with Ancient Darkness or Duelist Challenger if fighter. Ancient Ambush is popular now but blowing up Flameriders will only become more expensive.
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-03-23 00:13

  Quote from NomadTrooper;1054266:

  Right, Elves. Not the fact that you can wear 2 accessories now making light armor non-existent without this penalty. I know! they should lower that -50% dex to -35% herp derp
  
  Stupid elves

  
  Make it - 25% dex for light armors =.=
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-03-23 00:17
  DevCat should adjust the penalty so that it reduces your dexterity by 15% at r1. This would be equivalent to a loss of 172 dexterity should the player hold the 1150 dexterity required in order to reach the 50% cap. The loss of 170 dexterity could be ultimately offset by the damage obtained by equipping two oblivion fierce accessories.
  
  Additionally, the dexterity penalty should only apply to Humans.
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-03-23 00:21

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1054251:

  -50% dex penatly just cuz elfs dont got heavy that BS they need make a change to that

  
  
  I do believe that's only if an elf is wearing one of their 6 heavy armors they aren't supposed to have to begin with. I don't think Light armor has any -dex%.
  
  Hmm...As much as I don't like the -dex%, it really doesn't hurt humans as much as it hurts giants. :-/ That should be -10% at the most. >.> Seeing as how we need a metric shit load of dex to cap balance with +50%.
  
  I can see why it would lower your dex though, and why light armors wouldn't. Heavy armors become tanky, and with dex giving you a new stat that adds more dmg, it's a good thing heavy armors lower your dex a bit. How ever if your going to change the dex to balance ratio, they need to lower it a lot less, more so for those who don't have access to the massive amount of dex that is range skills, aka Giants. But even then, they should lower it less.
  
  They should give all 3 mysteries to all 3 races. Elves already have 6 heavy armors as it is :-/ Just give them heavy armor and have it give a bit more of a penalty.
  
  Heavy armor should be as this. Elves -35% dex. Humans -25% dex. Giants -15% dex. Makes sense to me.
  
  
  BUT all this is still in testing so..*shrugs* Hopefully they get it right soon.
  
  
  EDIT: Fk what I said. Just read the post above me. That works. XD
• Mixleplex wrote on 2013-03-23 00:37

  Quote from Kaeporo;1054237:

  The natural shield/mana deflector/heavy stander bonus granted by Heavy Armor Mastery.
  [video=youtube;4Xao-xFMr5c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4Xao-xFMr5c[/video]

  
  
  I really, really like this. I like the tank aspect so much I'd be willing to deal with my puppet damage nerf to have this kind of tanking power. I think I like this update a lot more now.
• Johny wrote on 2013-03-23 00:45

  Quote from Mixleplex;1054281:

  I really, really like this. I like the tank aspect so much I'd be willing to deal with my puppet damage nerf to have this kind of tanking power. I think I like this update a lot more now.

  
  
  Yea I agree. Armor finally has a purpose in this game, and the purpose it was meant to be: To be Tanky.
  
  Its time people stop being 100% negative about things and look at it with a more open-mind. Armor should mean higher defense and diminshed offensive power.
  
  We are lucky DevCat decided to cut balance by a certain percent instead of reducing total damage by that percent. You can still hit those high damage levels, just a bit less often.
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-03-23 00:56

  Quote from Kaeporo;1054276:

  
  Additionally, the dexterity penalty should only apply to Humans.

  
  ^ This
• pkMaster wrote on 2013-03-23 01:02

  Quote from Johny;1054283:

  Yea I agree. Armor finally has a purpose in this game, and the purpose it was meant to be: To be Tanky.
  
  Its time people stop being 100% negative about things and look at it with a more open-mind. Armor should mean higher defense and diminshed offensive power.
  
  We are lucky DevCat decided to cut balance by a certain percent instead of reducing total damage by that percent. You can still hit those high damage levels, just a bit less often.

  
  
  True as that may be, 1100 dex just to hit 50% balance is way over the top. I can understand if capping it only took maybe 600ish dex, but 1100? The other issue with this is that now everyone HAS to invest ap in some combination of archery, puppetry and life skills just to have a good amount of balance were it use to be an optional thing in the past.
  
  The only other issue I have with this patch is how they're handling magic, because by the look of things the magic output for magic doesn't seem all that different despite the boost in int/match ratio (in some cases, it even looks weaker surprisingly). I'm happy that alchemy now has a way to scale in power and can do decent damage now, and the new armor/shield masteries are neat, but I'm not sure if I like everything I'm seeing yet.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-03-23 01:31

  Quote from Johny;1054283:

  Yea I agree. Armor finally has a purpose in this game, and the purpose it was meant to be: To be Tanky.
  
  Its time people stop being 100% negative about things and look at it with a more open-mind. Armor should mean higher defense and diminshed offensive power.
  
  We are lucky DevCat decided to cut balance by a certain percent instead of reducing total damage by that percent. You can still hit those high damage levels, just a bit less often.

  
  
  Why bother with armor? Mana Shield exists, and on KR it is hilariously overpowered. Even with current MS, that's all you need for survival. Especially with reforges. Why bother nerfing your damage output for defense you hardly need?
  
  Making armor viable, if you really want that, DEMANDS a nerf to Mana Shield. If not removing the skill entirely.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-03-23 01:34

  Quote from Perfectio;1054309:

  Why bother with armor? Mana Shield exists, and on KR it is hilariously overpowered. Even with current MS, that's all you need for survival. Especially with reforges. Why bother nerfing your damage output for defense you hardly need?
  
  Making armor viable, if you really want that, DEMANDS a nerf to Mana Shield. If not removing the skill entirely.

  
  
  The fact that heavy armor negates stun and in that video knockback...
  
  Not only you'll be streaming it with mana shield, it'll be as if you have morrighan's barriers on you.
  
  Heavy Armor + Mana Shield, why not have the best of both worlds?
  
  Heck, Heavy Armor + Mana Shield + Shield.
• Sepia wrote on 2013-03-23 01:56

  Quote from Perfectio;1054309:

  Why bother with armor? Mana Shield exists, and on KR it is hilariously overpowered. Even with current MS, that's all you need for survival. Especially with reforges. Why bother nerfing your damage output for defense you hardly need?
  
  Making armor viable, if you really want that, DEMANDS a nerf to Mana Shield. If not removing the skill entirely.

  
  
  I fully expect there to be a nerf before this hits the live servers.
• FallenDanny wrote on 2013-03-23 02:22
  I'm probably going to rank both heavy and light armor Masteries, along with shield. It's not like the 2 skills are ap demanding.
• M wrote on 2013-03-23 03:04

  Quote from Kaeporo;1054276:

  
  Additionally, the dexterity penalty should only apply to Humans.

  
  
  Nerf those humans!
• Joker wrote on 2013-03-23 03:21

  Quote from Phunkie;1054214:

  Leather Armor is light armor.
  
  
  Anywho, I really believe Clothing Mastery should be a thing, to cover Clothes and Magical Clothes.

  
  
  I read the posts around yours and it made me giggle as i remembered this
  
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• Magenera wrote on 2013-03-23 05:21
  So the heavy armor thing isn't so bad for me right now, as I have a untamed croc highlander claymore, with 20 balance, plus sword rank 1 ,and combat mastery r1, with stider val boots, and I'm staring at 60 balance right off the bat. My stat balance would have to hit over 20% for me to remain unchanged. Not really bad for me, now I just have to find me a thame set, and start Echanting scroll hunting for that set, as I'm nearly done with my max damage val set. Love bargain hunting.