Georgia: Macon-Area Students Fight Segregated Prom

• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-04-10 21:08

  Quote from Magenera;1066272:

  What don't you get? You have the right of privacy, you can invite or not invite anyone for what ever reason. Not getting invited to a private party because you are not white, does not infringe upon your rights, as the person, or people have every right to do so. Question was ask how it's legal? Answer right to privacy. If saying that the racist should be forced to invite the non-whites to their private party, then you don't have the moral, nor ethical high ground, as posters where leading on. I was also told by you that I missed the ethics of the situation, and missed the point, even though I was right about the legality of the situation. Which I asked where was I wrong, what point did I missed? Was it me not showing condemnation on their actions? Cause I stated earlier, that because it's a private party, I really can't be outrage, nor care about the situation for the fact that it's their rights. I did stated that if you believe that they should be forced to make invite, or want me to believe that they should be forced to integrate with non-whites, then you have no moral, nor ethical grounds to stand on, that you can't claim the high ground, cause it's a right that you are screwing with.

  
  
  Here's the thing, the article has a equivocation problem. "Prom" is a public event hosts by the school. If the party in question doesn't fit that bill, it's not a "Prom",
  
  Also just because they have right to deny people to party doesn't mean they are free from condemnation. Their choice is morally wrong, and they deserve to be criticized for it. And in the article no one is infringing on people's right to host private party, they were saying they want to make another one.
  
  Finally, while it is technically police's duty to protect people's rights, guarding the party and turn away people should be an indication of the nature of the party is more than just a private gathering. If I host a keger, I can't just call police to guard my house to turn away people I don't want to invite.
  
  So because of the police, I think while it does present itself as a private party, it's very possible that's just an excuse, and you can't argue for them on that ground because of the questionable nature of "prom" ownership.
  
  @Cat:
  
  Actually no, it's been proven, moral arguments can not be present in a logical manner.
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2013-04-11 23:08

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;1066275:

  You can use logic to make any point.

  
  Except the illogical ones.
  
  I'm also not sure how that touches in any way what you quoted.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2013-04-12 04:16
  Logic is literally the only thing they have in keeping these sort of laws or avoiding prosecution.
  Anything sounds right, and that's all you need to win. The Georgians aren't going to bother with the school since an integrated prom would bother them more than what's been going on for over 50 years.
  It took scientific evidence and decades of action to just end the whole "separate but equal" shenanigans.
• Magenera wrote on 2013-04-12 15:42

  Quote from Sumpfkraut;1066843:

  Except the illogical ones.
  
  I'm also not sure how that touches in any way what you quoted.

  
  What's so illogical about the right to privacy?
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2013-04-12 16:26
  What's so logical about a blatantly non-private event being designated private?
  
  Woops, nothing!
  
  
  Well, unless you're either a segregationist or bureaucrat, in which case taking that stance makes perfect sense of course.
• Magenera wrote on 2013-04-13 00:01

  Quote from Sumpfkraut;1067260:

  What's so logical about a blatantly non-private event being designated private?
  
  Woops, nothing!
  
  
  Well, unless you're either a segregationist or bureaucrat, in which case taking that stance makes perfect sense of course.

  
  School doesn't do proms, meaning who ever does decide to make a similar party will end up being a private party by default. Meaning that they can invite who ever they want. Just because it's an annual event, just because they decide to invite every fucking white person, while telling every other non-white your not invited does not change the fact that it's still a private party. This was said in the article, I said this earlier, it's still a private party, it isn't like America happens to have big ass event parties that was private. Have plenty of those, the only difference seems to be that one was a white event only, and that got people in a twist, but won't complain about the other.
  
  Seems illogical to basically say, that you have a right to privacy unless I'm offended.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-04-13 03:46

  Quote from Magenera;1067547:

  School doesn't do proms, meaning who ever does decide to make a similar party will end up being a private party by default. Meaning that they can invite who ever they want. Just because it's an annual event, just because they decide to invite every fucking white person, while telling every other non-white your not invited does not change the fact that it's still a private party. This was said in the article, I said this earlier, it's still a private party, it isn't like America happens to have big ass event parties that was private. Have plenty of those, the only difference seems to be that one was a white event only, and that got people in a twist, but won't complain about the other.
  
  Seems illogical to basically say, that you have a right to privacy unless I'm offended.

  
  
  
  See my previous post for my reasoning of why it's not really a private party.
• Magenera wrote on 2013-04-13 11:08

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1067611:

  See my previous post for my reasoning of why it's not really a private party.

  
  Just because you believe that it isn't a private party, does not change the fact that it is a private party. School does not endorse, nor do proms. No funding, no planning, no nothing. The students rely's on a third party to do prom, in their case, their parents or a group of them, host a private prom, being white's only, they provide the space, the funding, the materials, everything. It's really no different than any of the big private parties that goes in America, just the added bonus of it being racist who host one, probably several in America.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-04-13 15:47
  Fine, that's fair, I see I was weighting my opinion too heavily. However, it is also fact police were turning away people, which is different from usual private parties. Care to give me your explanation on why police were involved at all?
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2013-04-13 16:07
  This disqualifies as an actual private party for a combination of two factors:
  
  1: The guests are dominantly not in the slightest involved with the private life of the host.
  
  2: The purpose is chiefly non-private but chiefly public, it functions as a universally celebrated ceremony signaling the beginning transition to adulthood for pupils who are going to finish school.
  
  Denying access to eligible parties to such an event based on legal loopholes just because you think they are icky (which is bad enough on its own) is thoroughly shameful. It doesn't need official endorsement with police protection for that.
  
  Practicing segregation is a slightly more serious offense than undermining the shelters of a white "Christian" middle class chauvinism. "Privacy" is not the be all and end all of moral or civil liberty, sorry.
• Magenera wrote on 2013-04-13 20:25

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1067733:

  Fine, that's fair, I see I was weighting my opinion too heavily. However, it is also fact police were turning away people, which is different from usual private parties. Care to give me your explanation on why police were involved at all?

  
  Trespassing actually, all though they pretty much went the dick route.
  
  Also Sumpfkruat the school use the legal loophole by not doing prom, and having for a private party do the prom instead. As I said to TLCBonaparte, just because you feel it's public doesn't mean it's pubic. At the end of the day, it's still a private party, that is just a big annual event for the white students.
• frozenwilderness wrote on 2013-04-13 20:50

  Quote from Magenera;1067805:

  Trespassing actually, all though they pretty much went the dick route.
  
  Also Sumpfkruat the school use the legal loophole by not doing prom, and having for a private party do the prom instead. As I said to TLCBonaparte, just because you feel it's public doesn't mean it's public. At the end of the day, it's still a private party, that is just a big annual event for the white students.

  
  
  sorry, i had to
  
  and i agree with this in a sense if the school doesn't endorse it, but i still think it's a rather gray area
  
  also, hi fellow virginian
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-04-13 21:17

  Quote from Magenera;1067805:

  Trespassing actually, all though they pretty much went the dick route.
  
  Also Sumpfkruat the school use the legal loophole by not doing prom, and having for a private party do the prom instead. As I said to TLCBonaparte, just because you feel it's public doesn't mean it's pubic. At the end of the day, it's still a private party, that is just a big annual event for the white students.

  
  
  No no no, them being dick doesn't mean they can actually ask the police to be their bouncer. That's not an explanation, and I am putting my opinion on whether the party is public or private on hold for now, I want to know what you do think is the reason behind police's enforcement of party entrance. I am pretty sure I can't ask police to guard my private party no matter how many people I invite. That's what private security firms are for.
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2013-04-13 21:23

  Quote from Magenera;1067805:

  Trespassing actually, all though they pretty much went the dick route.
  
  Also Sumpfkruat the school use the legal loophole by not doing prom, and having for a private party do the prom instead. As I said to TLCBonaparte, just because you feel it's public doesn't mean it's pubic. At the end of the day, it's still a private party, that is just a big annual event for the white students.

  
  Both partake in a huge legal loophole.
  
  It's not private, see my reasoning above. And that was my activity in this thread.
• Magenera wrote on 2013-04-14 22:42

  Quote from Sumpfkraut;1067822:

  Both partake in a huge legal loophole.
  
  It's not private, see my reasoning above. And that was my activity in this thread.

  
  A private party can be as open or as closed as one wants it to be. The integrated party that kids are trying to do, is a private party also.
  
  TLCBonaparte, they called the cops for her trespassing, they used the full extent of the law and had the cops escort her off the premises.