[KR Main] Mabinogi Zero Update

• radionoise wrote on 2013-04-21 18:37

  Quote from Kaeporo;1072724:

  Meteor Strike looks pretty awful. You have to wait 30 minutes in order to load a decently powerful spell that takes 10 seconds to cast?
  
  Pathetic.

  
  
  Socially acceptable Adniel at minimum.
• Milk wrote on 2013-04-21 18:43

  Quote from Zekkii;1072729:

  30 minute cooldown, 15 second cast time, 500 AP, and that's it? [S]Meanwhile 30m lance counters[/S]
  
  I expected more.

  
  
  30m damage is just a fantasy anyways. Glitchers be glitching.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-04-21 19:42

  Quote from ╔╦╗╒╕║╒╕;1072690:

  Or a party of 8 just rotating would obliterate the mission in no time lol.... not that a party of 8 couldn't already

  
  
  Here's a question:
  
  What would clear NPC final round faster?
  
  6 people with Meteor Strike and near endgame magic damage?
  
  Or 6 endgame fighters/rangers/meleers all with level 3 elemental?
  
  NPC final round is the only place where I could see Meteor Strike be even semi-useful, and it's still outclassed.
  
  But people as usual are transfixed by huge splash damage numbers and big animations. Meteor Strike honestly looks awesome though in terms of aesthetics, but it's a bad skill.
• Milk wrote on 2013-04-21 20:10

  Quote from Perfectio;1072746:

  Here's a question:
  
  What would clear NPC final round faster?
  
  6 people with Meteor Strike and near endgame magic damage?
  
  Or 6 endgame fighters/rangers/meleers all with level 3 elemental?
  
  NPC final round is the only place where I could see Meteor Strike be even semi-useful, and it's still outclassed.
  
  But people as usual are transfixed by huge splash damage numbers and big animations. Meteor Strike honestly looks awesome though in terms of aesthetics, but it's a bad skill.

  
  
  The Mages if Puppeteer / dragons and bard skills were not included.
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-21 20:29

  Quote from Milk;1072751:

  The Mages if Puppeteer / dragons and bard skills were not included.

  
  
  ^
  
  Not to mention LOL reforges. And lol max damage enchants, where there are an absurd abundance of, and 25% of those give +10 max damage or more.
  
  Compared to about 10 magic damage enchants, of which only 1 (one, uno) adds +10 in that value.
  
  Mages aren't flawed by choice. They are flawed by design.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-04-21 20:39

  Quote from Milk;1072751:

  The Mages if Puppeteer / dragons and bard skills were not included.

  
  
  Each final round NPC has somewhere on the order of 150k HP and 50-60% prot (guesstimating). Thus, Meteor Strike with 370ish MATK and some reforges would likely do 7-9k normal and 20k crits. So even if each meteor crits, Also this is assuming that everyone gets their meteors off seamlessly, due to the long casting time. So assuming the Meteor Strike users are henceforth limited to using only magic, after Meteor Strike, they're going to be facing all the NPCs alive and at half health or more.
  
  Now, they can use OP Blaze but the problem with that is that you can't really concentrate Blaze on one NPC, while you can dogpile the NPCs one by one with Fighter/Melee/Range and has an annoying cooldown.
  
  With an assorted party of varying levels of strength, NPC final is 3-4 minutes, so are you suggesting that the mage party can clear significantly faster, let alone faster than a party of endgame players with quality reforges?
• Anitun wrote on 2013-04-21 21:20
  Can anyone verify for me if the Merlin Knuckles are enchantable or not?
• radionoise wrote on 2013-04-21 21:28

  Quote from Anitun;1072773:

  Can anyone verify for me if the Merlin Knuckles are enchantable or not?

  
  
  Not enchantable, so 74 max + reforge/special upgrade is the best they're gonna get.
  
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/2EzoN.png]

  
  
  Also, take a look at the special upgrade % bonus. It is considered a 1h, so it has weaker special upgrade.
  Edit: It does get 2h spec. up for blue, but even 1h red is better than 2h blue so...
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-21 21:30

  Quote from Perfectio;1072760:

  
  
  With an assorted party of varying levels of strength, NPC final is 3-4 minutes, so are you suggesting that the mage party can clear significantly faster, let alone faster than a party of endgame players with quality reforges?

  
  
  I'm pretty sure any player with endgame stats and reforges can clear NPC with ease. With blaze as powerful as it has become, (for maximum effectiveness, this involves 3 people) Climatic clash + 5x IS + Instant-casted IS+ blaze is very much capable of doing insane amounts of damage at any rate, and much more if you include IS reforges. The only thing posing a threat would be the bear, but thats what the 3rd person is for.
  
  This update may not have made magic as powerful as the other skillsets, but it at least put magic back in the game.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-04-21 22:26

  Quote from Johny;1072781:

  I'm pretty sure any player with endgame stats and reforges can clear NPC with ease. With blaze as powerful as it has become, (for maximum effectiveness, this involves 3 people) Climatic clash + 5x IS + Instant-casted IS+ blaze is very much capable of doing insane amounts of damage at any rate, and much more if you include IS reforges. The only thing posing a threat would be the bear, but thats what the 3rd person is for.
  
  This update may not have made magic as powerful as the other skillsets, but it at least put magic back in the game.

  
  
  Even gunner + puppet can clear NPC from round 1 to boss in 6 minutes...
• Anitun wrote on 2013-04-21 22:33
  Could this be considered an error for now? And thank you. For verifying it for me. :)
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-21 23:02

  Quote from Johny;1072781:

  I'm pretty sure any player with endgame stats and reforges can clear NPC with ease. With blaze as powerful as it has become, (for maximum effectiveness, this involves 3 people) Climatic clash + 5x IS + Instant-casted IS+ blaze is very much capable of doing insane amounts of damage at any rate, and much more if you include IS reforges. The only thing posing a threat would be the bear, but thats what the 3rd person is for.
  
  This update may not have made magic as powerful as the other skillsets, but it at least put magic back in the game.

  
  IS reforges got totally gimped, along with IS as a whole. Enjoy your +500 damage on full charges though.
  

  Quote from Anitun;1072804:

  Could this be considered an error for now? And thank you. For verifying it for me. :)

  
  
  What are you referring too?
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-22 00:00

  Quote from Zekkii;1072808:

  IS reforges got totally gimped, along with IS as a whole. Enjoy your +500 damage on full charges though.
  
  

  
  
  IS is still useful for setting up a blaze.
  
  Either way, if you guys are so negative about magic, just don't use it ok? Stop trying to bring down the people that actually enjoy using it. This annoys me more than the nerf on IS (I rarely use IS anyways, it's not like I depend entirely on it).
• Anitun wrote on 2013-04-22 00:20

  Quote from Zekkii;1072808:

  IS reforges got totally gimped, along with IS as a whole. Enjoy your +500 damage on full charges though.
  
  
  What are you referring too?

  
  
  When special upgraded with red it gets 1 handed bonuses compared to when special upgraded with blue gets 2 handed.
• Cyrene wrote on 2013-04-22 00:25

  Quote from Jiihae;1070479:

  [Image: http://puu.sh/2CzqR.png]

  
  Translated and edited... just cuz ^w^;;...

  
  
  Create your own destiny..? Does this mean we can mix and match and make our own talents?