[WIP] Mabinogi Hero Alchemist - ?

• Tropa wrote on 2013-05-31 16:51

  Quote from Kendoza;1098470:

  I think that would make some people rage if they put the new life skills (Engineering and magic craft) under it. Plus, those two don't even have their own talent yet. I would be happy if they did though. :>
  
  Some people here wouldn't be as much though. It'd be the whole Blacksmithing rage all over again.

  
  
  They'll live, maybe they'll be happy theres more Engineers and Magic crafters.
  
  Less requests and [S]less profit[/S]
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-06-02 21:35
  Just a question about alch dmg now. I don't know if this has been asked or answered but with how MP/HP/SP effects the dmg, is the extra dmg from stats factored in first before mysteries and cylinder buffs/enchants?
• Tropa wrote on 2013-06-02 21:57

  Quote from Slayerj;1099819:

  Just a question about alch dmg now. I don't know if this has been asked or answered but with how MP/HP/SP effects the dmg, is the extra dmg from stats factored in first before mysteries and cylinder buffs/enchants?

  
  
  The +dmg from Hp/mp/sp is added int the Alchemy skill's base damage
  
  aka 100Mana = +30 water cannon damage
  
  Rank1 Watercannon 136 > 163
  
  You can check the damage formulas on the Wiki.
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-06-02 23:14

  Quote from Tropa;1099828:

  The +dmg from Hp/mp/sp is added int the Alchemy skill's base damage
  
  aka 100Mana = +30 water cannon damage
  
  Rank1 Watercannon 136 > 163
  
  You can check the damage formulas on the Wiki.

  
  
  Ah alright. XD For some reason I thought it was added on to the final dmg. @,@ Derp.
• Kendoza wrote on 2013-06-02 23:41

  Quote from Slayerj;1099858:

  Ah alright. XD For some reason I thought it was added on to the final dmg. @,@ Derp.

  
  
  I believe that is Max Damage enchants iirc.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-06-03 00:09

  Quote from Kendoza;1099864:

  I believe that is Max Damage enchants iirc.

  
  
  its not, it's base damage.
• Kendoza wrote on 2013-06-03 00:19

  Quote from Tropa;1099875:

  its not, it's base damage.

  
  
  so max Damage enchants are also added to base? Always thought it was at the end so it kinda got like tacked on.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-06-03 00:29

  Quote from Kendoza;1099876:

  so max Damage enchants are also added to base? Always thought it was at the end so it kinda got like tacked on.

  
  
  Ripped off the wiki
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/374es.png]

  
  
  

  Normal damage
  [(Base Damage * Distance Reduction * Charges) + (Water Damage Enchants * Charges + Damage Enchants)]
  Extra damage
  Additional Damage * (Alchemy Mastery Bonus + Water Alchemy Mastery Bonus) / .15
  Final damage
  (Normal Damage + Extra Damage) * Cylinder Modifier * Elemental Modifier

• Kenero wrote on 2013-06-03 00:34
  They fixed it so max damage enchants are not added to base anymore, you know...
• Tropa wrote on 2013-06-03 00:35

  Quote from Kenero;1099883:

  They fixed it so max damage enchants are not added to base anymore, you know...

  
  
  We're talking about Water damage enchants, like Ripple, at least i think he is.
  
  WC base damage and Water dmg enchants/upgs are different.
• Kendoza wrote on 2013-06-03 08:59

  Quote from Tropa;1099884:

  We're talking about Water damage enchants, like Ripple, at least i think he is.
  
  WC base damage and Water dmg enchants/upgs are different.

  
  
  ...I was talking about Max damage enchants. I was thinking Slayer was confusing those for Water Damage.
  
  

  Quote from Slayerj;1099858:

  Ah alright. XD For some reason I thought it was added on to the final dmg. @,@ Derp.

  
  
  

  Quote from Kendoza;1099864:

  I believe that is Max Damage enchants iirc.

  
  
  I wasn't trying to figure out what the base water damage was or how it was calculated. You were already pretty clear on that lol.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-06-03 10:06
  Honestly, I don't how Max damage enchants added into WC anyways with that bug.
  
  When I did my calculations I only used Base Damage and Water enchants/upgrades.
• Infighter wrote on 2013-06-29 03:05
  Seems like they thought of adding warrior talent instead of gunner for alchemist hero. /quits
  
  The skillset pretty much made me dissapointed, unless they're still holding up for other future skills. I was hoping that Golden time could remove/lower cooldowns or activations for either a charge from a water/flame/sand or to unlimited use of heatbuster without having to accumulate offensive alchemy to activate it.
  
  Hydra sounds like summon (like golem) but attacks on its own and deals water damage to mobs within the radius of the attack. Just like Uroboros fire breath. - This is the only skill I consider good in comparison to the other ones mentioned before.
  
  Another thing that gets me mad... I want construction alchemy revamps. :U
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-06-29 03:32

  Quote from Infighter;1114149:

  Seems like they thought of adding warrior talent instead of gunner for alchemist hero. /quits
  
  The skillset pretty much made me dissapointed, unless they're still holding up for other future skills. I was hoping that Golden time could remove/lower cooldowns or activations for either a charge from a water/flame/sand or to unlimited use of heatbuster without having to accumulate offensive alchemy to activate it.
  
  Hydra sounds like summon (like golem) but attacks on its own and deals water damage to mobs within the radius of the attack. Just like Uroboros fire breath. - This is the only skill I consider good in comparison to the other ones mentioned before.
  
  Another thing that gets me mad... I want construction alchemy revamps. :U

  
  
  The guard cylinder is great for alch's and makes alch more 'hybridable' with other skill sets.
  
  The new golem AI is great from what I've seen, as for golden time and ele wave, they're copies of Encore, Instant cast. (well not ele wave)
  
  Encore, Instant cast, and Golden time all have the same cool-downs as one another and are meant to help another skill. Instant cast helps out almost all magic. Encore is great for putting down two phantom choruses, and Golden time is great if you just want to pump out an Ele wave real fast without charging.
  
  After seeing that Encore was the same as instant cast I must admit that I still didn't realize that golden time would be too.
  
  Ele wave makes the already more 'INT/ADV' versions of alchemy stronger and more flashy and the charging that the G-cylinders give you for more stats only further boosts your alch dmg, as well as just helping anyone else out that might be hybridizing.
  
  I will admit that construct alch needs a buff >.>. Stronger/more uses for mana crystals, synth/frag/metal all need a buff/change, and Spikes needs a major HP buff XD;...
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-06-29 04:29

  Quote from Slayerj;1114172:

  The guard cylinder is great for alch's and makes alch more 'hybridable' with other skill sets.
  
  The new golem AI is great from what I've seen, as for golden time and ele wave, they're copies of Encore, Instant cast. (well not ele wave)
  
  Encore, Instant cast, and Golden time all have the same cool-downs as one another and are meant to help another skill. Instant cast helps out almost all magic. Encore is great for putting down two phantom choruses, and Golden time is great if you just want to pump out an Ele wave real fast without charging.
  
  After seeing that Encore was the same as instant cast I must admit that I still didn't realize that golden time would be too.
  
  Ele wave makes the already more 'INT/ADV' versions of alchemy stronger and more flashy and the charging that the G-cylinders give you for more stats only further boosts your alch dmg, as well as just helping anyone else out that might be hybridizing.
  
  I will admit that construct alch needs a buff >.>. Stronger/more uses for mana crystals, synth/frag/metal all need a buff/change, and Spikes needs a major HP buff XD;...

  
  
  The alchemy shield is a god send for Mage....so much utility prowess available to Mage. I could see myself spamming shock and barrier spike and be completely safe from aggo to cast spell.