[WIP] Mabinogi Hero Alchemist - ?

• Kendoza wrote on 2013-05-26 02:37

  Quote from Anwell;1095426:

  Too bad magic charge speed accessories might only go up to 1.
  

  
  
  

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  Don't mind the poor enchants. Its part of my luck set for Theatre Missions Pass making.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-05-26 03:04
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  Best instrument in G18 Episode Something
• Tropa wrote on 2013-05-26 03:17

  Quote from Zekkii;1095586:

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  Best instrument in G18 Episode Something

  
  
  We get to clap? :D
• Anwell wrote on 2013-05-26 03:27

  Quote from Kendoza;1095574:

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  Don't mind the poor enchants. Its part of my luck set for Theatre Missions Pass making.

  
  
  Oh I see, I guess the wiki is wrong than.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-05-26 03:50

  Quote from Tropa;1095594:

  We get to clap? :D

  
  [S]Yeah, it comes with slapfu[/S]
  I meant singing! ^-^
• radionoise wrote on 2013-05-26 04:00

  Quote from Zekkii;1095586:

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  Best instrument in G18 Episode Something

  
  
  I think playing instrument stacks with singing, as I've seen players do 26% normal overture singing. That means singing = Allegro Lyre with max artisan and +1 buff reforge. Best instrument indeed.
  
  Unless you spent a fortune reforging a lyre for an unneeded 4% overall damage bonus, which doesn't necessarily justify missing out on all the things singing offers.
• leili wrote on 2013-05-26 04:12

  Quote from radionoise;1095603:

  I think playing instrument stacks with singing, as I've seen players do 26% normal overture singing. That means singing = Allegro Lyre with max artisan and +1 buff reforge. Best instrument indeed.
  
  Unless you spent a fortune reforging a lyre for an unneeded 4% overall damage bonus, which doesn't necessarily justify missing out on all the things singing offers.

  
  
  What do you mean by +1 buff reforge? And what do you mean by the overall 4% damage bonus?
  
  The playing instrument effect is a music effect buff reforge right? So say I had a playing instrument 15 reforge , and music buff effect 11(max artisan), grandmaster ...miku...etc. singing can stack more buff on top of that ?
  
  
  EDIT: for some reason I completely ignored the "=" which effectively makes my entire post stupid. Wow singing is op. I can sing with a weapon in hand? I will throw out my lyres right fucking now. Though I'm guessing you meant literally just a +1% reforge, I like buffing my party enough to reroll a lyre to hope for near 20 playing instrument reforge..but what does it mean exactly, a +20% to which part of the buff? Just divided or to each part? Yay lack of information!
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-05-26 05:09

  Quote from radionoise;1095603:

  I think playing instrument stacks with singing, as I've seen players do 26% normal overture singing. That means singing = Allegro Lyre with max artisan and +1 buff reforge. Best instrument indeed.
  
  Unless you spent a fortune reforging a lyre for an unneeded 4% overall damage bonus, which doesn't necessarily justify missing out on all the things singing offers.

  
  
  That's actually pretty depressing.
  
  What's the point of instruments? Dischord?
  
  DevCat might as well remove weapon variety and add in a "road to rule" at this rate.
• Flanlulu wrote on 2013-05-26 07:30

  Quote from leili;1095607:

  What do you mean by +1 buff reforge? And what do you mean by the overall 4% damage bonus?
  
  The playing instrument effect is a music effect buff reforge right? So say I had a playing instrument 15 reforge , and music buff effect 11(max artisan), grandmaster ...miku...etc. singing can stack more buff on top of that ?
  
  
  EDIT: for some reason I completely ignored the "=" which effectively makes my entire post stupid. Wow singing is op. I can sing with a weapon in hand? I will throw out my lyres right fucking now. Though I'm guessing you meant literally just a +1% reforge, I like buffing my party enough to reroll a lyre to hope for near 20 playing instrument reforge..but what does it mean exactly, a +20% to which part of the buff? Just divided or to each part? Yay lack of information!

  
  
  The playing instrument reforge is just the same as saying music buff effect +20
  
  and it's the same formula for all buffs:
  (Base buff values [+any extra boosts from all sources(i.e vivace magic charge speed)]) * (cumulative Music buff effect total [reforge,upgrade, playing instrument rank or title]) * (either 1 for normal plays, 1.1 for marvelous, or 1.3 for haunting) = final buff value
  
  Of course some values in each buff are fixed so they wont increase no matter what. Also, the play type values can be further increased through reforges to 1.2 for marvelous plays and 1.4 for haunting. I'm not sure how singing is added to the mix yet. However, if it does add on when using an instrument then it would likely be an extra 15 to the music buff effect.
  
  Just a little extra:
  

  
  
  • The maximum possible vivace buff in one area (alchemy or magic speed) is around 46.76%
    
  • BFO caps at about 46.2%
    
  • March song caps about 34.65% move speed
    

  
  All of this is assuming you get all the needed instrument/shoe/accessory reforges and I didn't goof on my math
• radionoise wrote on 2013-05-26 08:40

  Quote from leili;1095607:

  EDIT: for some reason I completely ignored the "=" which effectively makes my entire post stupid. Wow singing is op. I can sing with a weapon in hand? I will throw out my lyres right fucking now. Though I'm guessing you meant literally just a +1% reforge, I like buffing my party enough to reroll a lyre to hope for near 20 playing instrument reforge..but what does it mean exactly, a +20% to which part of the buff? Just divided or to each part? Yay lack of information!

  
  
  Playing Instrument music buff reforge simply adds +1 music buff per level. Each 1 music buff gives +0.2% to overture.
  
  All I meant is that from videos I've seen, players using Overture via singing get 26% normal overture buff. To get 26% with overture, you need 30 music buff total and singing provides 15... so do the other 15 come from music playing even though there is no instrument equipped? It's possible, but there's also a chance the players I saw were using a combination of titles that added up to 15 music buff. We'll know for certain once test is updated.
  
  Either way, if singing gets 15 buff from playing and 15 buff from the singing skill, then it would have the same effect as playing a lyre with total of 15 music buff + the 15 you get from playing instrument. If that is the case, then for any player who does not reforge... bare hands is the best music instrument.
• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-05-26 08:52

  Quote from Kaeporo;1095622:

  That's actually pretty depressing.
  
  What's the point of instruments? Dischord?
  
  DevCat might as well remove weapon variety and add in a "road to rule" at this rate.

  
  
  Now you understand the way it was meant to be.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-05-26 09:01
  R.I.P. dischord. Though it's still pretty good with high strength and dischord reforge, it's hardly sufficient reason to keep instruments in slot. *throws them in with party healing wands, taming wands, 1-handed axes, and other useless weapons*
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-26 11:12

  Quote from radionoise;1095696:

  Playing Instrument music buff reforge simply adds +1 music buff per level. Each 1 music buff gives +0.2% to overture.
  
  All I meant is that from videos I've seen, players using Overture via singing get 26% normal overture buff. To get 26% with overture, you need 30 music buff total and singing provides 15... so do the other 15 come from music playing even though there is no instrument equipped? It's possible, but there's also a chance the players I saw were using a combination of titles that added up to 15 music buff. We'll know for certain once test is updated.
  
  Either way, if singing gets 15 buff from playing and 15 buff from the singing skill, then it would have the same effect as playing a lyre with total of 15 music buff + the 15 you get from playing instrument. If that is the case, then for any player who does not reforge... bare hands is the best music instrument.

  
  
  Unless you are playing with an instrument, singing without anything doesn't stack with playing instruments.
  
  There's future titles, enchants, etc. that not only gives +max damage but also +music buff~
• radionoise wrote on 2013-05-26 14:24

  Quote from Kenero;1095722:

  Unless you are playing with an instrument, singing without anything doesn't stack with playing instruments.
  
  There's future titles, enchants, etc. that not only gives +max damage but also +music buff~

  
  
  There is no title combination that adds up to 15 music buff though, and there is nowhere else to obtain music buff if you aren't equipped with an instrument.
  
  Battlefield Overture Master and Yvona OP prefix title add up to 16, not 15. Still leaves music playing as the only plausible explanation.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-26 14:33

  Quote from radionoise;1095758:

  There is no title combination that adds up to 15 music buff though, and there is nowhere else to obtain music buff if you aren't equipped with an instrument.
  
  Battlefield Overture Master and Yvona OP prefix title add up to 16, not 15. Still leaves music playing as the only plausible explanation.

  
  
  There's still enchants and grandmaster bard to account for.
  
  Though once test is updated, it'll be easier to do combos.