Canadian Student Disciplined For Saving Life

• Hanna wrote on 2013-06-02 17:15

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1099507:

  This is actually part of what I think is wrong with society today, people look to others for solution to their problems, like government. This kid took charge and solved the problem himself, maybe there is a better way, but the fact that he did it by himself just shows what a baller he is. He didn't look to others to hand a solution to him, and that's commendable in my book.

  
  
  an adult would have known how to handle the situation more than a fucking 13 year old
  what he did was brave, but very foolish, he could have been the one stabbed and if he was
  what would his mother say then? "i'm proud of my son" or "blah blah the school is so irresponsible i'll sue blah blah"
• Kendoza wrote on 2013-06-02 20:51

  Quote from Hanna;1099738:

  an adult would have known how to handle the situation more than a fucking 13 year old
  what he did was brave, but very foolish, he could have been the one stabbed and if he was
  what would his mother say then? "i'm proud of my son" or "blah blah the school is so irresponsible i'll sue blah blah"

  
  
  I think you give adults abit too much credit. You'd be surprised at some teens, even at that age, how smart or "street-smart" they really are. In this situation, there is a need for immediate action, and I commend the kid for having the balls to do so.
  
  Waiting around? If the kid's carrying a knife, they probably already know how to or have used it before to inflict harm. I'm leaning more towards the threatened kid was getting stabbed than the kid just leaving at waving around in the kid's face.
  
  Inb4videogamesgetblamedforthis
• Hanna wrote on 2013-06-03 01:02

  Quote from Kendoza;1099799:

  I think you give adults abit too much credit. You'd be surprised at some teens, even at that age, how smart or "street-smart" they really are. In this situation, there is a need for immediate action, and I commend the kid for having the balls to do so.
  
  Waiting around? If the kid's carrying a knife, they probably already know how to or have used it before to inflict harm. I'm leaning more towards the threatened kid was getting stabbed than the kid just leaving at waving around in the kid's face.
  
  Inb4videogamesgetblamedforthis

  
  
  Adults could easily overpower children
  Both students were unarmed, what if they both got stabbed?
  1 stab and the kid would have been on the floor, and it's pretty easy to stab two people quickly
  This has less to do with the mother being upset that her son was "punished" but more of "my son deserves a special star because he made a foolish decision that could have gotten him killed"
  
  What he did was brave, but I do not blame the school board for frowning on what he did as it was dangerous and foolish.
  He should have gotten an adult, and you guys would be singing a different tune if he were stabbed.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-06-03 01:11

  Quote from Hanna;1099893:

  Adults could easily overpower children
  Both students were unarmed, what if they both got stabbed?
  1 stab and the kid would have been on the floor, and it's pretty easy to stab two people quickly
  This has less to do with the mother being upset that her son was "punished" but more of "my son deserves a special star because he made a foolish decision that could have gotten him killed"
  
  What he did was brave, but I do not blame the school board for frowning on what he did as it was dangerous and foolish.
  He should have gotten an adult, and you guys would be singing a different tune if he were stabbed.

  
  
  Adults look to other adults or organizations to solve their problems. That's what I don't like about people today, maybe it's a side effect of too much social safety net, but people who solve problems independently are actually kind of rare now. From generation X onward teamwork in workplace is becoming more and more common, I am not saying it's a bad thing, but it does give the impression that people are slowly becoming co-dependent zombies who can't think for themselves. Obviously the kid could've hurt himself by doing what he did, but I like him because he thinks for himself, doesn't rely on others to solve his problem and I think it's a shame they are punishing him for that.
• Eyeoftiger wrote on 2013-06-03 01:22
  How about the fact the kid was trying to use a knife instead of words to solve his problems?
• Enoshima Smoothie wrote on 2013-06-03 01:33

  Quote from Hanna;1099893:

  Adults could easily overpower children
  Both students were unarmed, what if they both got stabbed?
  1 stab and the kid would have been on the floor, and it's pretty easy to stab two people quickly
  This has less to do with the mother being upset that her son was "punished" but more of "my son deserves a special star because he made a foolish decision that could have gotten him killed"
  
  What he did was brave, but I do not blame the school board for frowning on what he did as it was dangerous and foolish.
  He should have gotten an adult, and you guys would be singing a different tune if he were stabbed.

  
  
  I know from personal experience that that is not 100% true. I've seen grown men get taken down by teenage girls.
  Just throwin' that out there.
  
  And honestly we award adults for doing stupid courageous shit all the time, the only difference here is that the kid is...well, a kid.
  What he did was foolish and reckless, but so are a lot of heroic acts imo. The school should scold him a bit, but honestly he deserves a pat on the back for not doing what a shitload of other people do and just ignore shit or pass it off to someone else.
  
  And of course we'd be saying different shit if he got stabbed because it's a different outcome from the one we currently have. That's how it works.
  
  

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1099896:

  Adults look to other adults or organizations to solve their problems. That's what I don't like about people today, maybe it's a side effect of too much social safety net, but people who solve problems independently are actually kind of rare now. From generation X onward teamwork in workplace is becoming more and more common, I am not saying it's a bad thing, but it does give the impression that people are slowly becoming co-dependent zombies who can't think for themselves. Obviously the kid could've hurt himself by doing what he did, but I like him because he thinks for himself, doesn't rely on others to solve his problem and I think it's a shame they are punishing him for that.

  
  
  I like you. I can't rep you enough.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-06-04 10:13
  It's hilarious that the majority of the people judged the story by the headline and instantly got upset.
  
  
  
  Oh media, you classy dog you.
  
  
  
  Also thread title is hilariously biased and one sided, but then again it did attract attention.
  Shoulda been "Student intervines possible stabbing"
  
  
  
  If i was the principal of that school, i would have scolded him too, because if two people have a fight like that, you do NOT get in the middle of it, that's going to make it worse most of the time, because more than likely, the student was simply threatening, seeing a third party forces the other student to react to a different circumstance, turning a relatively textbook example of threatening with a weapon to actually using that weapon, kinda like being robbed. you do not intervine, let it be.
  That kid did not show quick thinking, he showed recklessness and a lack of understanding of human psychology.
  
  He shouldnt be rewarded, he should be thankful he wasnt stabbed and killed.
  But then again, people are focusing on the "what ifs".
  What if there was a stabbing? What if he was just using it as a threatening tool.
  All people see is "heroic act condemned" but they don't see the outlying concerns here.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-06-04 14:24
  You don't give people enough credit. We are aware of the outlying concerns. Just read the posts.
  
  About your assessment of the kid. I know where you are coming from. I remember someone told a story about relative trying to fight back during a smuggling and end up in vegetated state.
  
  The thing is, this kid isn't doing this for himself, it was the heat of the moment, he had to act or the other guy might be stabbed, we don't know for sure what is the case, but we do know the kid with the knife was tackled, so chances are the situation was dire (you don't tackle people unless you need to stop them fast). That's why what he does is heroic, because he did it for someone else.
• Drizzit wrote on 2013-06-04 15:43

  Quote from Chiyuri;1099495:

  Does anyone else think he could just have screamed to the top of his lungs... with such a large scream you expect people, and mostly adults to gather quickly. the sream itself will also distabilize the guy with a knife who's gonna be like "dam he's attacking too much attention"

  
  Screaming is for pussies. This kid ACTED. Outlying concerns be damned.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-06-04 17:44

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1100858:

  You don't give people enough credit. We are aware of the outlying concerns. Just read the posts.
  
  About your assessment of the kid. I know where you are coming from. I remember someone told a story about relative trying to fight back during a smuggling and end up in vegetated state.
  
  The thing is, this kid isn't doing this for himself, it was the heat of the moment, he had to act or the other guy might be stabbed, we don't know for sure what is the case, but we do know the kid with the knife was tackled, so chances are the situation was dire (you don't tackle people unless you need to stop them fast). That's why what he does is heroic, because he did it for someone else.

  
  
  
  There's a fine line between heroism and stupidity, just because he did it successfully doesn't meant it wasnt stupid.
  Just because it was a selfless act, doesn't mean it wasn't STUPID.
  
  You do not reward stupid acts, it's like me looking for muggers and tackling them to the ground.
  That is a stupid act regardless of being successful or not.
  Because you will get more people HURT than anything, i wish i had more info on this story so i could draw a psychological conclusion but unfortunately we do not get a damn thing about what instigated the fight.
  
  REGARDLESS.
  I will put it into easy perspective, age 13. classmates. at that age is middle school time.
  
  Here. Let me be a big dick here and say this. How do you know the person who pulled out the knife wasn't being bullied by the other student, and today was the day he finally said he had enough and stood up to the bully by pulling out a knife and saying LEAVE ME ALONE?
  Ya don't.
  
  
  THE MEDIA BLOWS, THEY DO NOT SHARE A FUCKING THING.
  
  

  Quote from Drizzit;1100904:

  Screaming is for pussies. This kid ACTED. Outlying concerns be damned.

  
  
  Yes, wishing to not get hurt or injured is bad.
  
  "he did it out of no concern for his own well being" stupid.
  
  "he did it for another human being" Not stupid.
  
  Stupid action + not stupid intention = ???
  
  

  Quote from Yoorah;1099571:

  Yeah, being simple minded about this isn't good. :P
  Both sides here are right in their own ways--it just so happens that they clash in this case, which is unfortunate.

  
  You summed it up right here.
  
  Lack of information to draw a decisive conclusion.
  Scattered bits of possible misinformation paint the picture as "heroic".
  
  
  Media is bullshit and everyone buys into it without full knowledge of the story and background
  
  I wonder if i am the only one seeing it from a mechanical point of view and noticing that the story is incomplete, therefore inappropriate to form a conclusion around it.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-06-04 18:06

  Quote from Aubog007;1100980:

  There's a fine line between heroism and stupidity, just because he did it successfully doesn't meant it wasnt stupid.
  Just because it was a selfless act, doesn't mean it wasn't STUPID.
  
  You do not reward stupid acts, it's like me looking for muggers and tackling them to the ground.
  That is a stupid act regardless of being successful or not.
  Because you will get more people HURT than anything, i wish i had more info on this story so i could draw a psychological conclusion but unfortunately we do not get a damn thing about what instigated the fight.
  
  REGARDLESS.
  I will put it into easy perspective, age 13. classmates. at that age is middle school time.
  
  Here. Let me be a big dick here and say this. How do you know the person who pulled out the knife wasn't being bullied by the other student, and today was the day he finally said he had enough and stood up to the bully by pulling out a knife and saying LEAVE ME ALONE?
  Ya don't.
  
  
  THE MEDIA BLOWS, THEY DO NOT SHARE A FUCKING THING.
  
  
  
  Yes, wishing to not get hurt or injured is bad.
  
  "he did it out of no concern for his own well being" stupid.
  
  "he did it for another human being" Not stupid.
  
  Stupid action + not stupid intention = ???
  
  
  You summed it up right here.
  
  Lack of information to draw a decisive conclusion.
  Scattered bits of possible misinformation paint the picture as "heroic".
  
  
  Media is bullshit and everyone buys into it without full knowledge of the story and background
  
  I wonder if i am the only one seeing it from a mechanical point of view and noticing that the story is incomplete, therefore inappropriate to form a conclusion around it.

  
  
  It doesn't really matter who is being bullied though, you obviously stop the one with the weapon.
  
  Again Aubog you don't give us enough credit, you assume we are all ignorant of media's influences and their subjective views in their report. That is not the case. I know what he did is not the best way to solve it and I said it time and time again, but I still like this kid for reason I posted before, if you want you get read those.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-06-04 18:15

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1100998:

  It doesn't really matter who is being bullied though, you obviously stop the one with the weapon.
  
  Again Aubog you don't give us enough credit, you assume we are all ignorant of media's influences and their subjective views in their report. That is not the case. I know what he did is not the best way to solve it and I said it time and time again, but I still like this kid for reason I posted before, if you want you get read those.

  
  
  i find it highly strange to support someone without knowing all the facts.
  
  So no i don't support the person stopping them.
  
  Because another media story can completely twist it around and people will still be all over it, and even if people are aware of media's influences, they still get gobbled up in it because of key words and actions and phrases.
  
  The moment the word "heroic" is in there, Bam, logic = gone.
  
  And the reason i don't give you enough credit is because people STILL do not have the facts and still fully support someone doing a rash and stupid action.
  You need to fully read my post instead of reading only a bit of it.
  
  
  
  And if i was put into the guy who was being threatened by a knife, at the age of 13 under, i would call for fucking adult help, the moment you shout for help, it startles the person threatening and especially a kid. it makes them less likely to do anything because they dont want serious trouble.
  but then again, we lack facts on the scenario of the situation
  Student help only makes the situation worse because the other student lacks "authority"
  
  You have to keep in mind, this is a MIDDLE SCHOOL.
  
  There is logic behind the madness that is educational authority, i would know since i have been on the receiving end of so many fucking stupid punishments.
  
  News article is just a convenient excuse to cover up an act of stupidity (now i am directly calling that after thinking about this even more now) by masking it as heroism because they do not put in all the facts in.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-06-04 18:19
  We all make decisions without all the facts, often we don't even know what encompass all the facts. I feel your negative feeling towards media is affecting your judgement on this. I am not asking you to trust media though, I am asking you to trust we aren't idiots who buy into media propaganda.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-06-04 18:26

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1101011:

  We all make decisions without all the facts, often we don't even know what encompass all the facts. I feel your negative feeling towards media is affecting your judgement on this. I am not asking you to trust media though, I am asking you to trust we aren't idiots who buy into media propaganda.

  
  
  
  I don't mind the media, it's just something i do more research on.
  I don't jump to conclusions about anything because that always leads to a bad outcome from personal experience.
  
  
  You have to understand, I am an extremely curious person and i have plenty of questions that i would like answered, and based upon what i have, i could conclude the person is heroic, but i could also easily conclude the person is stupid.
  
  
  I live to question life, not accept what it is in front of me. The media takes the brunt of it because, it's in front of me.
  
  
  Oh, about trusting you with media propaganda, etcetcetc.
  
  It's whatever, i found the article an interesting read, but as i read this thread more and read what everyone said, i reread to look for more. And noticed glaring holes.
  
  Also never called nor implied you were idiots. i was expressing my opinion on the matter.
  
  
  PROBABLY SHOULD NOT TYPE WHEN I AM HALF ASLEEP.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-06-04 19:55

  Quote from Aubog007;1100980:

  You do not reward stupid acts

  
  
  Uh. Yeah. We do. All the time.
  
  If everyone was like you and sat back waiting until all the facts were gathered to act, nothing would ever get done because a lot of the time you DON'T have all the facts and you CAN'T get all the facts.
  
  Let's just say the kid was like you, and rather then tackling the kid he stood there and watched until the guy actually stabbed the other guy then was like, "Oh, ok! Now I KNOW he was going to stab him so it's ok to do something!"
  
  Too late, the kid is already bleeding to death. Your lack of action while waiting for the facts cost someone their life.
  
  Was it dangerous? Yes.
  Was it smart? Probably not.
  Do we KNOW the kid was actually going to USE the knife? Nope.
  But I'd rather it turned out like it did than for the kid to have waited around to make sure he was actually going to stab him.