Fiona general guide.

• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2011-11-06 19:50

  Quote from Kollin;651581:

  I thought they added in a counterattack skill for large shields?

  
  
  they added a large shield charge I believe, not counter though.
• Invertex wrote on 2011-11-06 20:00

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;651758:

  they added a large shield charge I believe, not counter though.

  
  
  No such thing exists. There are no Large Shield specific skills besides Large Shield Mastery.
  The main thing you get from Large Shields are...
  
  +Less stamina use from HS
  +No knockback from using HS
  +More natural defence
  -No Counters
  
  Also of note, I'm not sure how stun and damage correlate. But the main thing that would make hammer counters "stronger" then sword ones is the fact that hammers naturally have a higher attack stat, meaning that you deal more damage on a counter hit (it still counts as a smash, so it's a percentile of your attack). Stun is the main use of Small Shields however, and the point where that stun isn't enough to make the safety of a Large Shield worth it is when you switch to a Large one.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2011-11-06 20:40

  Quote from Invertex;651771:

  No such thing exists. There are no Large Shield specific skills besides Large Shield Mastery.
  The main thing you get from Large Shields are...
  
  +Less stamina use from HS
  +No knockback from using HS
  +More natural defence
  -No Counters
  
  Also of note, I'm not sure how stun and damage correlate. But the main thing that would make hammer counters "stronger" then sword ones is the fact that hammers naturally have a higher attack stat, meaning that you deal more damage on a counter hit (it still counts as a smash, so it's a percentile of your attack). Stun is the main use of Small Shields however, and the point where that stun isn't enough to make the safety of a Large Shield worth it is when you switch to a Large one.

  
  
  I was thinking heavy stander counter. sigh, I love counter, too bad soon or later I will have to switch to large shield :(
• Invertex wrote on 2011-11-06 21:31

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;651817:

  I was thinking heavy stander counter. sigh, I love counter, too bad soon or later I will have to switch to large shield :(

  
  
  Small Shield works fine on most non raid bosses, and you'll still get heavy use out of them when doing your dailies. It doesn't hurt to keep one around (also note Colru is workable (and fun!) with a Small Shield, and Klaus is an easy solo with one).
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-11-06 22:29
  And you're forgetting Shakarr. He's most definitely the most fun Small-Shield boss out there.
• Invertex wrote on 2011-11-06 22:49

  Quote from Andy-Buddy;651923:

  And you're forgetting Shakarr. He's most definitely the most fun Small-Shield boss out there.

  
  
  I didn't forget him, I just forgot to mention him. XD
  It's hard to classify Shakarr and Succubus as I don't know if I should call them raids, solos, or what. But both of those are easily manageable with a Small Shield. And don't forget that half the raids (Ingkells, Glas, Titan) all end up in just chain stunning the boss and spamming them to death in trans, so you barely ever use your shield in those cases.
• Skye wrote on 2011-11-07 00:08
  So basically...
  Small shields=anything but raids (with the exception of Colru, Shakarr, maybe others?)
  Large shields=raids
  
  I've been wanting to ask for a while, because I'm to the point where I can now use both.
• grandpajelly wrote on 2011-11-07 20:54

  Quote from Skye;651992:

  So basically...
  Small shields=anything but raids (with the exception of Colru, Shakarr, maybe others?)
  Large shields=raids
  I've been wanting to ask for a while, because I'm to the point where I can now use both.

  
  Not exactly. There's plenty of raids where small shield is efficient in:Hidden, Blood Lord,Klaus, Thor, Ingkells, Lionotus.At the same time some normal battles are best done with a large shield: Rescue, Vehemence, Taonu etc.
  Come to think of it, that's a lot of raids that can be done with a small shield, but I prefer large for most of them.
• grandpajelly wrote on 2011-11-07 20:55
  :o
• Invertex wrote on 2011-11-08 08:19

  Quote from grandpajelly;652926:

  Not exactly. There's plenty of raids where small shield is efficient in:Hidden, Blood Lord,Klaus, Thor, Ingkells, Lionotus.At the same time some normal battles are best done with a large shield: Rescue, Vehemence, Taonu etc.
  Come to think of it, that's a lot of raids that can be done with a small shield, but I prefer large for most of them.

  
  
  I have to disagree with Thor and Lionotus on that list.
  
  The main thing about Thor is that he only hits once when he's walking fowards while electrified. You can easily fit in a pretty strong smash if you HS and immediately start swinging, meanwhile you just lose stamina and such with a small shield. His only move that can be countered is him stepping on you while turning around, which isn't often enough to warrant using a small shield.
  
  Lionotus, the damage dealt outside of dropping him off the cliff is very minor. In most parties, a Fiona's role (sadly) is to act as living bait. You can't effectively lure Lionotus to the edge if you're getting shoved off it every 5 seconds due to HS knockback. Stun and damage mean very little outside of dropping him off the edge, and I have never seen Lionotus get stunned outside of falling.
  
  Still, your point is correct in that the "Raids = Large Shield, Non-Raids = Small Shield" is not fully accurate. It's a good general guideline, but I feel it's primarily up to the player to make the decision on which shield they feel is the better one for the mission.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-11-08 17:44
  Lionotus can be knocked down. I've only seen it three times now though, and each time was basically a full-party-transforming beatdown.
• grandpajelly wrote on 2011-11-14 20:59
  For Lionotus I was thinking more of a dps role. If there's already a bait fiona in the party or everyone has enough attack that he can be beat without throwing him off, but those times are very rare.
  
  I need more defense Q_Q 7.2k with enchanted Jirkal and 4 sentinels. ~7.5k with maxed def mastery. 7.8k with one Passion scroll. What am I missing?
• Invertex wrote on 2011-11-14 21:32

  Quote from grandpajelly;660527:

  For Lionotus I was thinking more of a dps role. If there's already a bait fiona in the party or everyone has enough attack that he can be beat without throwing him off, but those times are very rare.
  
  I need more defense Q_Q 7.2k with enchanted Jirkal and 4 sentinels. ~7.5k with maxed def mastery. 7.8k with one Passion scroll. What am I missing?

  
  
  Even with that much attack, it's more efficient to throw him off the edge.
  
  Also you're missing a lot of Warlords and Healthy/Passion on your accessories. Warlord is a prefix for ~130 Def, Healthy is a suffix for ~130 def, Passion is also a suffix for 200. You probably already know that.
  If you have a full set of enchanted accessories (2 rings, earring, emblem, belt. 5 total), you'll get 650 Def from Healthy/Warlord, and 1000 from Passion. This means a full set of Warlord Passion accessories lands you at about 9.2k def, which is a quite a bit.
  (Note I'm not sure if the prefix I'm thinking of is called Warlord, but I think it is)
  
  Switching to a Grand Cross also could boost you by about 200 or so def. Also tacking on Tutelary (prefix for plate) gives you an extra 100 def on each piece of armor. Five Tutelaries and a Grand Cross would probably boost you to about 8.5k.
  
  Doing both of the above puts you at around 9.9k def, at which point making a few pieces of armor into +10 (if they aren't already) should probably place you at 10k.
• grandpajelly wrote on 2011-11-17 17:42
  I don't have enough money for Warlod's, Passions, and Tutelaries. T_T
• Gotejjeken wrote on 2011-11-20 18:14
  7.2k is more than fine, learn to use your shield if you are dying a lot. For instance, I was constantly pulling first in Glas a month or two ago with 5.4k DEF, as he is super easy to block. DEF is not a necessity for Fiona, more of a luxury. With 8.2k I have to practically stand there to die, and in transformation I can be in Colru/Lios face for quite a long time without even getting a scratch.
  
  Also, on the note of Lio...I'd say there really is no reason to bring a large there. You can still lure fine with a small, with the extra benefit of never being pushed off the cliff because of HSC. Also, you can counter him rather easily, which is more fun than simply LR...LR...LR in between all of his attacks.