Microsoft Is Removing Xbox One DRM

• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2013-06-20 00:45

  Quote from Valkyrio;1109354:

  Wait...
  
  so why do you think that MS decided to completely remove the DRM and used games limitations that were originally announced (and defended) at E3?

  
  For normal consumers it's not the final product
  and
  They make the angry internet people think Microsoft actually listens to Twitter.
  Free positive PR points.
  
  Oh and Microsoft removed the feature where you can share your games with 9 other people you know.
  Thanks Internet
• Valkyrio wrote on 2013-06-20 00:54

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;1109355:

  For normal consumers it's not the final product
  and
  They make the angry internet people think Microsoft actually listens to Twitter.
  Free positive PR points.
  
  Oh and Microsoft removed the feature where you can share your games with 9 other people you know.
  Thanks Internet

  
  
  If it's not the final product, why were they so vehement in their stance that the DRM [UB]COULD NOT[/UB] be removed? They never said "well maybe it'll change.." they said "it's not gonna change, if you don't like it buy a 360."
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2013-06-20 00:59

  Quote from Valkyrio;1109365:

  If it's not the final product, why were they so vehement in their stance that the DRM [UB]COULD NOT[/UB] be removed? They never said "well maybe it'll change.." they said "it's not gonna change, if you don't like it buy a 360."

  
  
  Wow.
  It makes Microsoft seem like the good guy after changing.
  This statement was said like 10 posts back.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2013-06-20 00:59

  Quote from Valkyrio;1109365:

  If it's not the final product, why were they so vehement in their stance that the DRM [UB]COULD NOT[/UB] be removed? They never said "well maybe it'll change.." they said "it's not gonna change, if you don't like it buy a 360."

  
  
  And then they changed it.
  
  Pretty solid PR move if you ask me.
  
  And since people who participate in internet polls, makes preorders, and watches E3 are actually only a very minor part of their customer group, none of it really even matters to them. They'll still get 90% of their sales off of people who just want to play CoD and Halo. It doesn't even matter that the PS4 will get CoD.
  
  The 360 established itself as an iconic brand for all pseudo hardcore gamers and they'll probably buy the Xbox One without knowing anything about it.
  
  You're thinking too much from a logical standpoint. People (the mainstream consumer) are illogical by nature and move uninformed. They'll probably make a lot of money with stunts like these.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2013-06-20 01:08
  But at the very least won't people consider price tag? You can't just assume people would make a 500 dollar investment no matter what, people consider things when they make such a big purchase, at the very least they will ask around on the internet.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2013-06-20 01:12

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1109376:

  But at the very least won't people consider price tag? You can't just assume people would make a 500 dollar investment no matter what, people consider things when they make such a big purchase, at the very least they will ask around on the internet.

  
  
  People don't care until like the month the console gets release or the week before.
  Also, Microsoft can just remove the Kinect and make it $400. Sony's already selling at a large loss.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2013-06-20 01:13

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1109376:

  But at the very least won't people consider price tag? You can't just assume people would make a 500 dollar investment no matter what, people consider things when they make such a big purchase, at the very least they will ask around on the internet.

  
  
  That will probably be the one and only thing the mass consumers really care about, which leaves xbox at a disadvantage.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-06-20 10:35

  Quote from Cucurbita;1109372:

  And then they changed it.
  
  Pretty solid PR move if you ask me.
  
  And since people who participate in internet polls, makes preorders, and watches E3 are actually only a very minor part of their customer group, none of it really even matters to them. They'll still get 90% of their sales off of people who just want to play CoD and Halo. It doesn't even matter that the PS4 will get CoD.
  
  The 360 established itself as an iconic brand for all pseudo hardcore gamers and they'll probably buy the Xbox One without knowing anything about it.
  
  You're thinking too much from a logical standpoint. People (the mainstream consumer) are illogical by nature and move uninformed. They'll probably make a lot of money with stunts like these.

  
  
  I also made a thread in Bean Rua which pretty much addressed this point as well. Microsoft could really care less what the Internet thinks as the Mainstream crowd who don't really pay attention are still going to eat it up.
  
  

  Quote from Cucurbita;1109380:

  That will probably be the one and only thing the mass consumers really care about, which leaves xbox at a disadvantage.

  
  
  And yet I know a co-worker who has already pre-ordered both the Xbox One and the PS4 cause she can afford to. I'm personally saving my money to try and buy a house eventually so trying to cut down on spending. Plus I've never owned an xbox or playstation system. I've only owned Nitendo Systems. I grew up on Nitendo games and am interested in only a few select game series, all of which are only on Nitendo Systems.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2013-06-20 12:02

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1109608:

  And yet I know a co-worker who has already pre-ordered both the Xbox One and the PS4 cause she can afford to. I'm personally saving my money to try and buy a house eventually so trying to cut down on spending. Plus I've never owned an xbox or playstation system. I've only owned Nitendo Systems. I grew up on Nitendo games and am interested in only a few select game series, all of which are only on Nitendo Systems.

  
  
  The PS2 and PS3 are really good shit. Theres a lot of good Japanese games on exclusively on there. I might just pick up a PS3 after the PS4 launches for cheap.
  
  Halo is pretty much the only IP exclusively on the Xbox that is any good but I can just leech off friends like I have for Halo 1~4.
• Milk wrote on 2013-06-20 14:41
  Funny how you guys are separating people on the internet and people inrl as if they are different people all together.
  
  I must be ignorant for thinking that my internet self is on the same level of importance or even the same person as my real life self.
  
  The only people who were getting the xbone before this were fan boys and people who had extra cash and wanted to play their exclusives.
  
  I know this may be a real shocker to you guys but consumers on the internet are also consumers inrl life. Also the internet is pretty much the best form of advertisement for their target consumers, so by saying that people raging and flaming the xbone online wont have any negative impact on its sales you actually sound pretty ignorant to the effect that social media has on a lot of people.
• Milk wrote on 2013-06-20 14:41
  Funny how you guys are separating people on the internet and people inrl as if they are different people all together.
  
  I must be ignorant for thinking that my internet self is on the same level of importance or even the same person as my real life self.
  
  The only people who were getting the xbone before this were fan boys and people who had extra cash and wanted to play their exclusives.
  
  I know this may be a real shocker to you guys but consumers on the internet are also consumers inrl life. Also the internet is pretty much the best form of advertisement for their target consumers, so by saying that people raging and flaming the xbone online wont have any negative impact on its sales you actually sound pretty ignorant to the effect that social media has on a lot of people.
• Valkyrio wrote on 2013-06-20 14:46

  Quote from Milk;1109700:

  Funny how you guys are separating people on the internet and people inrl as if they are different people all together.
  
  I must be ignorant for thinking that my internet self is on the same level of importance or even the same person as my real life self.
  
  The only people who were getting the xbone before this were fan boys and people who had extra cash and wanted to play their exclusives.
  
  I know this may be a real shocker to you guys but consumers on the internet are also consumers inrl life. Also the internet is pretty much the best form of advertisement for their target consumers, so by saying that people raging and flaming the xbone online wont have any negative impact on its sales you actually sound pretty ignorant to the effect that social media has on a lot of people.

  
  
  Seriously - one of the things that must've scared MS is the Amazon poll. 95% of the people who voted on it, through FB, said they'd buy a PS4. We're talking about people who shop at amazon - this is no longer just "internet mainstream." It's not just 4chan or even reddit, this is more about consumers taking the one channel we have with big companies (internet, twitter, fb, etc) and voicing their disagreement. I think it's incredibly dumb to say "oh yeah well they don't care about the internet." Sure, they might not care about /v/ or /r/gaming, but they sure as hell will listen when 95% of relevant FB and Amazon users say they aren't buying the xbox one
• Evaris wrote on 2013-06-20 17:39

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;1109378:

  People don't care until like the month the console gets release or the week before.
  Also, Microsoft can just remove the Kinect and make it $400. Sony's already selling at a large loss.

  
  
  Not really at a loss.
  
  APU cost: Estimated at $50-100 by AMD's expected profits
  PCB and remaining processors cost: Estimated at $50-100
  Casing cost: Estimated at below $10
  power supply cost: estimated below $20
  Blue ray drive cost: estimated below $30
  Shipping / assembly fees: Going to be below $100 per console.
  Controller: below $25
  Worst case scenario as I see it and they'd be making at least some money off each one. At the absolute worst. They may be making nearly double cost per console. Keep in mind consumer costs != manufacturing / first party costs. There aren't any research fees involved this time as it's an almost off-the-shelf solution by AMD for the primary processor. And Sony can't really afford to be selling the console below cost.
• Milk wrote on 2013-06-20 21:54

  Quote from Evaris;1109771:

  Not really at a loss.
  
  APU cost: Estimated at $50-100 by AMD's expected profits
  PCB and remaining processors cost: Estimated at $50-100
  Casing cost: Estimated at below $10
  power supply cost: estimated below $20
  Blue ray drive cost: estimated below $30
  Shipping / assembly fees: Going to be below $100 per console.
  Controller: below $25
  Worst case scenario as I see it and they'd be making at least some money off each one. At the absolute worst. They may be making nearly double cost per console. Keep in mind consumer costs != manufacturing / first party costs. There aren't any research fees involved this time as it's an almost off-the-shelf solution by AMD for the primary processor. And Sony can't really afford to be selling the console below cost.

  
  
  + the point of making and selling consoles inst just to make a large profit off the console itself. Each sale = potential future game purchases as well which turns out to the the largest portion of where the profit comes in for game companies.
• Cyrene wrote on 2013-06-21 15:11

  Quote from Cucurbita;1109654:

  The PS2 and PS3 are really good shit. Theres a lot of good Japanese games on exclusively on there. I might just pick up a PS3 after the PS4 launches for cheap.
  
  Halo is pretty much the only IP exclusively on the Xbox that is any good but I can just leech off friends like I have for Halo 1~4.

  
  
  Halo was the only good exclusive and fable was an exclusive until it was released and we found out it was sub par. Xbox 360 has had some great games but as the ps3 has developed, xbox 360 has failed to bring in more games that were different from your average shooter. Mass effect one was the shet. But then it was turned into a gears of war styled combat. Exploring worlds became a chore. idk
  
  Fuck microsoft. I was going to buy your stuff just because of being a customer for almost all my life. But you only change drm because sony did it, +lower sales.
  And now this makes all of the people who didnt want this almost look bad because you removed one of the only interesting features.
  
  And it pisses me off how major Nelson snatched joes fucking mic. What the fuck kind of asshole show some respect to this guy. He works so freaking hard for this kind of stuff. At least don't condescend the guy when you talk to him, he utterly respects you and you cant give him a strait answer. He got so defensive on the Drm question it was ridiculous.