Are Magic Shields even worth ranking?

• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-16 17:47
  Hire that guy? Most of his ideas pass point #2 on magic shield is either stupid or useless.
  
  Magic Shields and other capped skills at r6 will most likely be uncapped in the future, or far future. Just look at the trend of skills that were left capped at r6 for a long time like Magic Mastery, Party Healing, and Support Shot. Okay, Support Shot was left at rF for a very long time.
  
  The problem with Magic Shields is that there is limited situations where they are useful, many other skills are more important in terms of spending AP, and they are pretty costly in terms of AP.
  
  Sure, magic shields can reduce damage when Cerebus is pounding you with its attack, but plain mana shielding/potting can work as well. Not to mention that having magic shields up doesn't prevent other monsters from attacking you.
• Serathx wrote on 2010-08-16 17:51

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;127182:

  I was gonna say that, but I didn't want to seem like a creepy person who just agrees with everyone in this thread.
  
  But now that you've said it I can say it too.
  
  Go [s]work for[/s] run nexon

  
  
  ;-; I am creepy person because I agrees with people?
  But yes, that is a very nice idea. Probably will be uncapped anyways.
• User495 wrote on 2010-08-16 18:37

  Quote from Kaeporo;127492:

  This is going beyond off-topic, but I happen to maintain a running list of improvements that I wish DevCat would implement.
  
  1. Features:
  
  Mainstream Quests
  - Allow Elves and Giants to complete Generation 1 and Generation 3.
  - Update earlier mainstream quests to match the quality of newer mainstream quests.
  
  Exploration- Significantly increase the amount of experience and exploration experience earned by completing exploration quests (500%).
  - Increase the amount of exploration experience earned by completing Iria dungeons (300%).
  
  Pet Rebirth
  - Each pet rebirth increases the level cap for all skills by one. (ie: Combat Mastery is capped at r6. After a rebirth, the new cap is r5.)
  - The level requirements for reaching higher skill ranks becomes easier. (ie: If combat mastery reaches r6 at level 30, a pet would be able to reach r5 at level 30 the following rebirth.)
  - After a single rebirth, the companion bonus never degrades.
  - Every rebirth increases the summon time by ten minutes.
  
  General Improvement
  - Correct various translation/grammatical errors
  
  2. Skills:
  
  Magnum Shot
  - Improve crossbow damage to 600% at Rank 1.
  
  Magic Shield (All)
  - Uncap all magic shield skills.
  - Improve damage reduction. (33% at Rank 6) becomes (50% at Rank 6, 75% at Rank 1).
  - Starting at r5 give the player the ability to walk when using a magic shield. The shield centers itself on the player when moving.
  
  Sharp Mind
  - Remove skill cap.
  - Starting at r9 the player gains the ability to view the information (Total level, Exploration level, Current level, Stats, Skills) of players with equal or lower CP.
  - Starting at r5 the player gains the ability to view the information (Stats, Skills, Elemental Attribution, Combat Power) of monsters with equal or lower CP.
  
  Spirit Weapon Awakening
  Spirit Sword Awakening - 300% Damage
  Spirit Blunt Awakening - 300% Damage
  Spirit Bow Awakening - 150% Damage
  Spirit Wand Awakening - 200% Damage
  
  3. Transformations:
  
  Falcon
  - Pet update (Thoroughbred, Shire and Halflinger gain the ability to transform alongside their elven owners. The pet gains 20% of the owner's stat bonus temporarily. Additionally, the pet's form changes to sport elven leather armor with a feather trim.)
  
  Beast
  - Pet update (Mini Bear, Panda and Lesser Panda gain the ability to transform alongide their giant owners. The pet gains 20% of the owner's stat bonus temporarily. Additionally, the pet's form changes to sport heavy armor with a fur trim.)
  
  4. Items:
  
  Fomor Command Scroll
  - Drop price to 250 gold each.
  
  Potions
  - Add Mana (10) and Mana (30) Potions to all healing and magic stores.
  
  Music Scrolls
  - Allow players to store music scrolls in pet inventory/bank.
  
  Instruments
  - Create new instruments: Violin, Guitar, Ocarina, Piano, Organ, Harp
  
  5. Player versus player combat:
  
  Duels
  -Add the ability to stake items and gold.
  -Add the ability to restrict specified skills and actions.
  -Add the ability to restrict transformations.
  
  Pet Battles
  - Add the ability to restrict specified skills and actions.
  - Add a damage modification slider
  - Allow players to toggle the "ring-out" rule.
  
  :o

  
  
  good ideas, though I think DEVcat will eventually come around to the instruments anyways
  
  the sharp mind thing sounds cool though
  
  and I always thought the horses should be able to transform for all races xD
  
  
  and those shields I tend to forget about them alot <.<, I hardly ever do rafting cause I never range
  Cerberus is the only practical place to use it in my opinion, and rafting is for people that already use ranged attacks anyways unless they're only doing it to go down the waterfall
• Knightmehre wrote on 2010-08-16 20:04
  its still pretty useful, like Natural shield.
  
  Doesnt knock you back, so good in duels.
• Juno wrote on 2010-08-16 20:24
  It only takes three shields at r6 to hit 99% reduction. Definitely beats running around aimlessly when the red dragon uses thunder...but outside of that it's just not useful enough to warrant ranking unless you're some sort of fanatic.
• Limes wrote on 2010-08-16 20:29

  Quote from Kaeporo;127492:

  This is going beyond off-topic, but I happen to maintain a running list of improvements that I wish DevCat would implement.
  
  1. Features:
  
  Mainstream Quests
  - Allow Elves and Giants to complete Generation 1 and Generation 3.
  
  General Improvement
  - Correct various translation/grammatical errors
  
  2. Skills:
  
  Magic Shield (All)
  - Uncap all magic shield skills.
  - Improve damage reduction. (33% at Rank 6) becomes (50% at Rank 6, 75% at Rank 1).
  
  4. Items:
  
  Potions
  - Add Mana (10) and Mana (30) Potions to all healing and magic stores.
  
  Music Scrolls
  - Allow players to store music scrolls in pet inventory/bank.
  
  Instruments
  - Create new instruments: Violin
  
  5. Player versus player combat:
  
  Duels
  -Add the ability to stake items and gold.
  -Add the ability to restrict specified skills and actions.
  
  
  Pet Battles
  - Add a damage modification slider
  - Allow players to toggle the "ring-out" rule.
  
  :o

  
  
  Removed everything that was stupid, implausible, and/or not even worth a mention. This is a much more reasonable list now.
  
  I'm not saying elves and giants should be ABLE to complete G1-G3, since they weren't implemented at the time. I just have a secret wish that something equivalent would get implemented for elves/giants so we can have those points in the journal.
  
  I honestly don't give a crap about magic shields. For me they're just a last ditch effort to block some damage, nothing too valuable.
  
  There should be SOME level of purchasable MP potion, somewhere. I miss the wandering Pierrick days :v Music scroll storage is self explanatory, sometimes I would like to be able to put away my Berserk scrolls.
  
  New instruments are always a reasonable option, but certain things have to be considered while implementing them. Can the character carry around a piano/organ? Of course not, that's a bit ridiculous. Isn't the ocarina already suspiciously similar in sound to the Flute family of instruments that we've had for a while? Just like guitars back in the time that Mabi is set it would sound much more like the Mandolin/Lute family of instruments that are already implemented. The only reasonable instrument you listed is the violin, and MAYBE the harp, assuming its a small one.
  
  It would certainly help out a bunch of people to be able to set specifications for duels, but it's not really a wildly important thing.
  
  Nothing on this list is anything I'd really fight for. Some of it would be nice, just not something to get worked up over.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-08-16 21:09
  The reason music scrolls are unstoreable in pets or banks is because music scrolls give too much stress on the mabi server and it would crash.
  
  Originally, music scrolls were storeable in banks until people's banks crashed and devcat had to make music scrolls unstoreable
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-08-16 22:03
  Because of the damned Cerebus Pillars, I think Magic Shields may have found their niche. I just wish I had more hotkeys for them.
• Zid wrote on 2010-08-17 00:24
  I used to use Elemental Magic Shields solo as a means to block bolt Magic/basic Alchemy attacks. Of course Mana Shield tanks better, but at least I wouldn't be stunned if I had Magic Shield up.
  
  I pretty much replaced Magic Shields with Evasion now. It's much more useful to me.
  
  Also, Natural Magic Shield is the only means to stop continuous arrow stunning in duels (although I wish the shield had a smaller radius to be really effective). I also used Ice/Lightning Magic Shields whenever I anticipate getting hit by Ice Spear/Thunder without enough time to stop the casting by myself or pet. Fire Magic Shield is only useful when you're being continuously Firebolt'd in a duel.
  
  As for Cerberus, instead of tanking it with Mana Shield then Magic Shield, I would load Defense (unless Cerberus is using Firebolt, then I would just load Fire Magic Shield), absorb the attack, then just Evade the latter two hits. Less dmg, and you can move around. I only use Magic Shield vs. Cerberus when I'm nearby a teammate/NPC.
• Chihaya wrote on 2010-08-17 00:56

  Quote from Zeo;126345:

  This, same for Ice/Lightning.Fire shield.
  
  Espically if you got spammed by the bolts.
  
  I love how people goes all "oh this crap is so useless" when it isn't.

  
  
  This.
  I saw a clear example when this giant was PvPing a guy with +4 CC fire wand. Obviously, you'd think the guy with the fire wand would win, right?
  As he was hit by firebolt, he used the fire shield, cancelled it immediately after getting hit with the guy's second firebolt. Using charge, he caught him by surprise and spammed lightning on him until he could use charge again and such...
  
  The first attack didn't even last 3 seconds, so as I watched the guy with +4 CC fire wand getting owned, I was thinking... Man... I needta rank magic shield
  
  Of course, one of my guildies who also saw the fight was practically FURIOUS, because he bragged frequently about how "r1 firebolt plus +4 CC firewand is invincible"
  
  Priceless.
• Samuelster wrote on 2010-08-17 01:08
  Can't you outrange wands?
  And magic shields are only good for when you has milk :D
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-08-17 01:44

  Quote from Zid;127901:

  As for Cerberus, instead of tanking it with Mana Shield then Magic Shield, I would load Defense (unless Cerberus is using Firebolt, then I would just load Fire Magic Shield), absorb the attack, then just Evade the latter two hits. Less dmg, and you can move around. I only use Magic Shield vs. Cerberus when I'm nearby a teammate/NPC.

  
  
  Lol, I'll take note of that. I haven't played in more than a week before now.
• Zid wrote on 2010-08-17 02:07

  Quote from Kyouriharu;128003:

  Lol, I'll take note of that. I haven't played in more than a week before now.

  
  
  You'll need rA Evasion for those 2 consecutive hits though. =/
  
  Also, Evasion has a chance of failing. Hardly affects me since I have r6 Evasion and can time it right to get within 90%-100% success.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-08-17 04:08

  Quote from EndlessDreams;127559:

  Hire that guy? Most of his ideas pass point #2 on magic shield is either stupid or useless.

  
  
  

  Quote from Limes;127679:

  Removed everything that was stupid, implausible, and/or not even worth a mention.

  
  
  Aw, come on guys. Must we really call someone's creative ideas stupid?
  
  Whether you agree with them or not, he took the time to express his opinion. You can shoot them down, but please do it in a more respectful manner.
  
  On that note, Kaeporo, I loved your ideas. And I gave you a +rep for that. We really do need some things added or changed in Mabinogi, such as those useless skills. Taming Animals included.
  
  
  Also...
  
  

  Quote from Limes;127679:

  Can the character carry around a piano/organ?

  
  
  Can a small Owl carry around a giant drum? IRL, probably not, but it still fits in its inventory.
  
  It's a game. By definition, it defies reality.
• Knightmehre wrote on 2010-08-17 10:54
  Not to mention trying to train it....natural might be easy but the others youd probably have to run rafting boat to get.