End Game

• Traw wrote on 2013-09-02 18:43
  I would just like to learn the effectiveness of these talents end game come season 2:
  Archery
  Lances
  Dual Wield
  Magic
  And alchemy
  
  Im mostly looking towards archery, melee, and alchemy.
• Blassreiter wrote on 2013-09-02 18:55
  [S]If you're talking about Saga Season 2, it's not even out yet in KR.[/S]
  
  But regarding the said skillsets, my brief information is:
  Archery - No major change (essentially still Elemental Reforge reliant as some people put it, but now Dex gives Defense Piercing for everything)
  Lances - Piercing Level gets a big boost (Level 9 Piercing ignores 45 friggen Protection or so I hear)
  Dual Wield - Same as Archery, no major change (that goes for Two Handed weapons too)
  Magic - 5 Int gets 1 Magic Attack instead of the current 20 Int for 1 Magic Attack. (basically strengthened)
  Alchemy - Certain stats boost certain skills, something along the lines like higher MP=stronger Water Cannon, HP=Flame Burst, etc.
• Traw wrote on 2013-09-02 19:01

  Quote from Blassreiter;1143436:

  [S]If you're talking about Saga Season 2, it's not even out yet in KR.[/S]
  
  But regarding the said skillsets, my brief information is:
  Archery - No major change (essentially still Elemental Reforge reliant as some people put it, but now Dex gives Defense Piercing for everything)
  Lances - Piercing Level gets a big boost (Level 9 Piercing ignores 45 friggen Protection or so I hear)
  Dual Wield - Same as Archery, no major change (that goes for Two Handed weapons too)
  Magic - 5 Int gets 1 Magic Attack instead of the current 20 Int for 1 Magic Attack. (basically strengthened)
  Alchemy - Certain stats boost certain skills, something along the lines like higher MP=stronger Water Cannon, HP=Flame Burst, etc.

  
  Thanks I'm trying to get slightly more indepth though and by s2 Was post-druid
  Im looking for the effectiveness of each skillsets in situations and reforges considered/unconsidered
• Blassreiter wrote on 2013-09-02 19:07

  Quote from Traw;1143443:

  Thanks I'm trying to get slightly more indepth though and by s2 Was post-druid
  Im looking for the effectiveness of each skillsets in situations and reforges considered/unconsidered

  
  
  The major thing to note is that Magic and Alchemy are much more up to date as currently in our servers they're lacking in damage compared to other Talents. Alchemists and Mages will most likely be returning once Druid/Vate comes. But regardless, no matter what people say about "usefulness of a skill set", it's all situational and how you use it.
• Traw wrote on 2013-09-02 19:24
  Tell me more about lances taking 45% protection because the wiki says otherwise
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-09-02 20:02

  Quote from Traw;1143452:

  Tell me more about lances taking 45% protection because the wiki says otherwise

  
  
  It's after the revamp when Merlin comes out. Look around this area of the forums. A LOT of this stuff is listed out.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-02 20:24

  Quote from Traw;1143432:

  I would just like to learn the effectiveness of these talents end game come season 2:
  
  Archery - Not to sure on this subject, but reforges make Crashshot and magnum shot powerful.
  Lances - Single target DPS, mostly useful in NPC arena
  Dual Wield - nope
  Magic - CC+4 Firebolt seems to be the appropriate build, not to sure on the subject of magic.
  Alchemy - This branches off into two groups, ones Watercannon focused(fast single target dps) while the other is Flameburst focused(Cone-like AoE dps)
  

  
  
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• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-02 23:57

  Quote from Traw;1143432:

  I would just like to learn the effectiveness of these talents end game come season 2:
  Archery

  
  
  Still going to be one of three "endgame" skillsets. Bhafal hunter is incredibly OP. Magnum and Crash shot reforges just ask to bring the pain.
  
  

  Lances

  
  
  The second of three "endgame" talents. Lances are going to be glorious come Zero. The only negative things that I can really say about it, with or without reforges, is the minimum distance penalty will sometimes screw you over if you lag and that your party members might get upset when you're finished flattening everything quicker then them.
  
  
  

  Dual Wield

  
  
  I feel like Dual Wield's been shafted for quite a bit ever since we got high enough max damage and reforges to utilize on Lances. It's a fierce competitor without reforges, still not as good as lances in situations where lances can properly pierce, but 2h/lance reforges just blow it out of the water.
  
  Especially if you only reforge once.
  
  

  Magic

  
  
  It's become a lot better crunching the numbers. The main thing was the speed fix. To my knowledge, I don't believe that magic's damage was ever bad (unless you one charge ice speared the room), it's just that it was too slow to be viable. Now with casting speed reforges actually working and things stacking properly, in addition to things such as magic weapon mastery, magic will really shine in the situations it's useful in.
  
  For example, fireball with snap cast. Firebolt is arguably the king of single target dps now. Hailstorm being great in MA. Stuff like that.
  
  

  And alchemy

  
  
  Alchemy can at least do hardmode and elite now.
  
  It's still mainly support though. Support. As in assisting your teammates passivly.
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-09-03 00:39
  How good is Archery come zero?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-09-03 01:14

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1143549:

  How good is Archery come zero?

  
  
  How good is Archery right now?
• Barumotoshin wrote on 2013-09-03 02:46

  Quote from Gensokyou;1143542:

  Still going to be one of three "endgame" skillsets. Bhafal hunter is incredibly OP. Magnum and Crash shot reforges just ask to bring the pain.
  
  
  
  The second of three "endgame" talents. Lances are going to be glorious come Zero. The only negative things that I can really say about it, with or without reforges, is the minimum distance penalty will sometimes screw you over if you lag and that your party members might get upset when you're finished flattening everything quicker then them.
  
  
  
  
  I feel like Dual Wield's been shafted for quite a bit ever since we got high enough max damage and reforges to utilize on Lances. It's a fierce competitor without reforges, still not as good as lances in situations where lances can properly pierce, but 2h/lance reforges just blow it out of the water.
  
  Especially if you only reforge once.
  
  
  
  It's become a lot better crunching the numbers. The main thing was the speed fix. To my knowledge, I don't believe that magic's damage was ever bad (unless you one charge ice speared the room), it's just that it was too slow to be viable. Now with casting speed reforges actually working and things stacking properly, in addition to things such as magic weapon mastery, magic will really shine in the situations it's useful in.
  
  For example, fireball with snap cast. Firebolt is arguably the king of single target dps now. Hailstorm being great in MA. Stuff like that.
  
  
  
  Alchemy can at least do hardmode and elite now.
  
  It's still mainly support though. Support. As in assisting your teammates passivly.

  
  
  Alchemist are able to do HM and elite very effectively...maxed Alchs of course...
• Tropa wrote on 2013-09-03 03:01

  Quote from Barumotoshin;1143580:

  Alchemist are able to do HM and elite very effectively...maxed Alchs of course...

  
  
  Back when I used alch, I was able to do HM and elite difficulties decently.
  
  After the update though, knowledgeable alchemists will be efficient in almost all game content.
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-09-03 03:21
  Omg my Earthquake cylinder will be somewhat decent :)
• Silverkun wrote on 2013-09-03 04:00

  Quote from Gensokyou;1143542:

  The main thing was the speed fix. To my knowledge, I don't believe that magic's damage was ever bad (unless you one charge ice speared the room), it's just that it was too slow to be viable. Now with casting speed reforges actually working and things stacking properly, in addition to things such as magic weapon mastery, magic will really shine in the situations it's useful in.

  
  
  It looks like Gensokyou has summed up what was in my eyes the entirety of the problem with magic. So yeah it gets way better. Sadly, the cast speed fix apparently came with Diva in KR, so we may not get it for a while, but at least it is probably coming. Still, it's true that even if the cast speed fix wasn't implemented, you could at least spam cc+4 firebolt.
  
  Also, from what I remember hearing, after the Druid update you will be able to move around with your int magics already charged (but not casted) for free, and Spell Walk (Moving Casting) is just for allowing you to move while you are still charging your skills. However, I still have no indication of whether the free movement after charging is a bug or not... Is that still a thing on the KR servers? I hope so... Because that would be very very nice.
  
  On another note, Gensokyou, what was the third "endgame" talent- oh right, puppetry, how could I forget... Lol.
• Blassreiter wrote on 2013-09-03 04:24

  Quote from Barumotoshin;1143580:

  Alchemist are able to do HM and elite very effectively...maxed Alchs of course...

  
  
  [S]Of course you pro.[/S]
  
  

  Quote from Tropa;1143582:

  Back when I used alch, I was able to do HM and elite difficulties decently.
  
  After the update though, knowledgeable alchemists will be efficient in almost all game content.

  
  
  Yeah, even right now Alchemists aren't as shabby as many people think. But of course current Alchemy is about the same as the current Magic.