You are being an ass.Could of just transfer schools ?
She was bullied by the boy.
He caused emotional trauma to my sister.
Please explain to me how it's dumb to drop out because of that?
You are being an ass.Could of just transfer schools ?
She was bullied by the boy.
He caused emotional trauma to my sister.
Please explain to me how it's dumb to drop out because of that?
Could of just transfer schools ?
If you lived in my area, you'd know that the schools that aren't where she went were very bad.Well didnt know about the school part down here there so many highschools
Very, very bad.
Yoorah, explain how that wasn't at least a decent example. I also like how you cut out the rest of my message to work with what you were saying.
Well didnt know about the school part down here there so many highschools
The GED program is essential for poor areas with bad school districts (by bad, I mean in terms of students, parents, teachers and administrators being bad and ineffective).
If a student is in a bad high school, he/she is absolutely fucked.
Yoorah, explain how that wasn't at least a decent example.
I also like how you cut out the rest of my message to work with what you were saying.
She's doing it because she was forced to drop out of high school because a boy spread rumors that she was pregnant and the reason she didn't go to school so much was because of that.
They were lies, of course, so she dropped out.
She mad great grades too, so it's not like she was really dumb.
We need the GED for girls and boys who go through bullshit like that.
If all the kids who get bullied start to drop out of school, things won't look good for the country's future.
If all the kids who get bullied start to drop out of school, things won't look good for the country's future.
Some high schools (and by some, I mean many) still have graduation rates that might be lower than 50%. And even the United States isn't as well-to-do as the rest of the world believes, with many teenagers dropping out by choice to work and support their poor families. So many reasons why people might not finish high school, and many of those don't seem "forced drop out" either.
So what if they were lazy or stupid? It is never too early to learn. Adult schools are cool, but a lot of adults here in the United States work overtime to keep afloat. Honestly, if you don't have a high school diploma, you're probably working 2~3 jobs at minimum wage (or below), so there is absolutely no way for you to attend an Adult school regardless of hours. They can squeeze in what studying time they can between jobs and sleep to get a GED. Are you going to stand on your comfortable pedestal and tell them "should have done better when you were a kid who doesn't know any better! I knew better back then!" because that sounds pretty elitist. If you're poor, society holds all sorts of invisible bars against you to prevent you from getting out of poverty. GED is a program that makes this difficult road a lot easier.
What an high school diploma proves is that you're not brick stupid. A GED also happens to do the same. Whether one promotes growth in "useful, dull, tedious traits" and the other doesn't is a theory wherein which the results are just correlative, but not conclusive. If you can spout bullshit like this, then I can just as easily turn it around and say that a teenager capable to dropping out and getting his GED to avoid going to high school "can think outside of what is expected by their peers, and can solve a problem by finding the most efficient answers, which are all useful traits to have". Basically put, both the arguments proposed by OP's documentary and what I just stated is a fallacy. It is very possible to come to either of these conclusions looking at data gathered from research based on the hypothesis that dropping out of high school and getting your GED can result in X or Y things. It simply looks better in the documentary's case because the concept of finishing high school has become expected of all successful individuals, and those who drop out are immediately implied to have negative traits or tragic tales. Simply, we already "made the decision", and researched to prove that answer. Such a contrived study.
The correct course of action is to steer the kids away from making this mistake.
And you definitely can't associate someone dropping out of HS to get a GED with creative, intelligent thinking... because if that were the case, statistics would be reversed in favour of all of these crafty people with their GEDs. :P
I have another theory. Its our desire to make sure everyone goes through our own experiences.
High school is a good thing, and most of us won't argue that. So the example isn't extreme enough to get my point across. Lets use the Korean military as an example instead.
In South Korea, military service of 2 years is absolutely mandatory for all adult males. In this time everyone is sent to boot camp for physical training, and are taught how to use weapons and follow orders. This is mostly a safeguard in case a battle breaks out between the North Koreans. I stress that this is mandatory for all adult males. There are no benefits like you would see in an American service. You don't get paid either.
Most people who have yet to serve in their mandatory service period are very vocal about wanting to not do so. They are also very vocal about hoping that this requirement be abolished from the country.
Most people who have already served in the service period, however, never push for this law to be abolished. After finishing their service, they're all in this "we did it, you should all suck it up and do it too. It'll make you a disciplined man anyways so it's good for you".
Its the biggest crap I've ever seen/heard. They know they hated doing it. They know they could have been going to school or working for those two years. They know they could've been with their families and friends and SO's. But once they're out, it's not their problem anymore. In fact, they want to see everyone else do it too. After all, why did they have to go through it, if others don't have to?
What does a High School teach? It teaches you some basic textbook knowledge that you have to pass in order to graduate. You could say it teaches you social skills and conformity, but you're actually tested on neither of those traits in order to graduate high school. Many kids force themselves through high school without bothering with any of that. Kids who drop out and get GED's have just as much of a chance to learn those things outside of school than in it.
I think at least a small part of us all feels the same way as those men who finished up their military service in Korea. We want kids to go through high school because its harder than just dropping out and getting a GED, and we feel cheated because of it.
My friend dropped out in his senior year to play World of Warcraft. He was 17. Obviously no one agreed with this, but you as an adult would have to be just as bad as the ignorant kid who dropped out to say that he deserves a life time of suffering by locking him out of his GED. He worked his way through and he's leading a very successful life right now in the workplace. What is the actual problem here anyways? He doesn't deserve his job? Why the hell not? He's doing his job perfectly.
This is such a conformitive mindset.
"Either everyone who gets bullied should deal with it and stay in school, or everyone who gets bullied will drop out. If latter, we have a big problem!"
Bullying occurs in varying degress and each people handle it in varying degrees. I for one believe a bad case of bullying can be a very legitimate reason to stop going to school.
By doing what exactly? Making GED programs less accessible and harder to get for students who dropped out "illegitimately?"
How in the world does that help those kids then once they grow up? Or do you really think they don't deserve any new chances indefinitely for some bad teenage mistakes?
Is there a study at all on that? I don't know of any studies that suggest the opposite.
You bring up an interesting point with the mandatory military service. But it stops being very interesting once you break it down to simple selfishness. It's easy to see how the kids who haven't done the military service would take the country's security for granted and would rather do other things with their time. Those who have already done it can appreciate its importance, no longer being blinded by said selfishness.
By telling them that completing high school is expected of them and they'll be screwing up their future if they don't at least do that. Here in Ontario we also have bullshit sub-high school diplomas called High School Certificate or some garbage. They basically told us in school that we have the option of dropping out and getting that instead, but we'd be screwed if we did. This was enough to convince all the idiots in my classes to not have second thoughts about at least going for a the full diploma. I've never heard of anyone who dropped out for the certificate, and my school wasn't even a top tier one. It was average at best, with students (myself included) being from low income families.
I never said they don't deserve second chances. They should go back to school and get a proper education. In the event that this is legitimately not feasible, alternatives should be looked at. Hence making the program limited to such cases.