G12S2 introduces a skill that makes int magic obsolete

• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-20 12:17
  I'm just raising awareness.
  
  Discuss.
• IceBlade wrote on 2010-08-20 12:20

  Quote from Kaeporo;131815:

  I'm just raising awareness.
  
  Discuss.

  
  
  At least tell people what skill you're talking about. Not everyone stays up to date on future content. :(
• Intaine wrote on 2010-08-20 12:25
  I second that >_>
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-20 12:46
  XD -Alright
  
  The new ranged skill Crash Shot.
  
  It deals two waves of damage with three damage formulas.
  
  First wave:
  Target damage: 100% multiplier applied only to the initial opponent
  
  Second wave:
  Splash damage: Rank dependent multiplier. Capped at 260% w/master title
  Fragmentation damage. Damage output is equal to (splash damage x targets splashed)
  
  Reference this handy chart.
  
  

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  1. Crash shot ignores protection to calculate critical.
  2. Crash shot has a splash radius of 700 units at r1
  3. Crash shot splashes a maximum of six targets at r1
  4. Crash shot has a load time of 2 seconds at r5
  5. Crash shot costs only 15 stamina/mana at r1
  6. Splash damage does not cause agro.
  7. Crash shot can be loaded during windmill's animation.
  8. Multiple skills (including crash shot) can be loaded during crash shot's animation.
  9. Maximum range is weapon dependent.
  10. The campfire bonus can be abused.
  
  Anything else? The only notable downsides would include,
  
  1. Defeated by natural shield
  2. Completely useless when used against a single target.
  3. The aim speed is slower than ranged attack. It can miss.
• Archibald wrote on 2010-08-20 13:01
  The reason your original statement that this makes int magic obsolete is the damage output.
  
  Lets say your pretty strong and have 400 Max range damage.
  
  400 x 260% = 1040. In Hardmode dungeons that is effectively cut in half or close to half.
  With campfire you can buff this some.
  
  You can't prepare or stack that damage. You can crit for a nice bonus but with preparation Int magic is still stronger. The difference is gameplay style. Mages tend to pre-pare a specific plan that will obliterate or wipe out waves of monsters in 1 shot sometimes 2. Melee/Rangers are adapters. The see the mobs patterns as they spawn and adjust strategy on the fly. This is harder for mages but rarely needed. Crash shot will be great and I'm happy rangers will have a skill that does the nice splash damage but this in no way obsoletes int magic.
• Blassreiter wrote on 2010-08-20 13:15
  Don't forget the other skill for Giants in G12S2. Normally with an Atlatl and strength you should have about 30 max damage. The add in 400 Max/Min damage considering that you are equipping jousting long javelins. Now you have about 430 damage. Now multiply that by rank 1 Throwing Attack's damage 900% and you'll get about a whopping 3870 damage from 1 Throw. If it crits it' will be about a 5805 crit from one throw. Of course there's 25 second cooldown.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-08-20 13:27
  I'll marry Crash Shot and make children with it <3 Can't wait to get r1 and spam 4k's with it
• Yah wrote on 2010-08-20 13:37
  Despite the nerfing of advanced mage and the disapointment in hail storm int mage will never be obsolete. As long as you can look ahead in a dungeon or shadow mission and use the plan made with ease int magic will stand up to skills such as crash shot. However crash shot does open new doors for rangers, mainly giving elves a massive AoE skill that they can shoot while mounting. All in all the gains to the ranging community do ot effect the int magic using community.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-20 13:55
  There are some things that you guys are overlooking.
  
  1. Agro. Crash shot doesn't realistically cause agro. One target out of six will agro you. That target is gonna die because of fragmentation damage. You don't need to plan ahead because you're a ghost.
  
  2. Fragmentation damage. The initial target doesn't receive splash damage. It instead receives fragmentation damage which is rank and target count dependent. At r1 with maximum splash, you're looking at 900-1500% damage. Maximum ranged damage is around 500 untransformed (Jah figured it out). We still need more testing to prove the multiplier cap.
  
  3. Intelligence is cap limited. It's entirely possible to reach the 999 stat cap while transformed. Dexterity still has room for growth. Your transformation bonus won't be wasted.
• Archibald wrote on 2010-08-20 14:01

  Quote from Kaeporo;131832:

  There are some things that you guys are overlooking.
  
  1. Agro. Crash shot doesn't realistically cause agro. One target out of six will agro you. That target is gonna die because of fragmentation damage. You don't need to plan ahead because you're a ghost.
  
  2. Fragmentation damage. The initial target doesn't receive splash damage. It instead receives fragmentation damage which is rank and target count dependent. At r1 with maximum splash, you're looking at 900-1500% damage. Maximum ranged damage is around 500 untransformed (Jah figured it out). We still need more testing to prove the multiplier cap.
  
  3. Intelligence is cap limited. It's entirely possible to reach the 999 stat cap while transformed. Dexterity still has room for growth. Your transformation bonus won't be wasted.

  
  
  Really 1500%???? Meaning you can do like 7500 (1500%) non crit with 500 max damage?
• hengsheng120 wrote on 2010-08-20 14:08
  I'm still trying to make sense the physics involved with this skill:
  
  So instead of using the time to draw the arrow further back, the archer use instead a special method that infuses mana energy into his arrow. The archer carefully shoots the arrow and hits the target for regular damage in a strategic area. The specially prepared mana infused arrow, after a set time, causes shaft of the arrow to explode with lethal force and hits surrounding enemies for significant damage. However the mana in the arrow shaft splinters are also made so that they either 1)draw energy from the monsters and gives the splinters inside the other monsters enough energy to home in on the first monster and attack it all at the same time or 2)special conduit that sends mana energy of the other monsters into the arrowhead of the arrow in the first enemy. The collected energy is so great that it causes the iron atoms to split and undergo nuclear fission, doing massive damage to the first monster.
• Username wrote on 2010-08-20 14:09

  Quote from Archibald;131838:

  Really 1500%???? Meaning you can do like 7500 (1500%) non crit with 500 max damage?

  
  
  That doesn't look right.
  And im half archer z-z Ive looked into this skill.
  That is not right. If it WAS like that.
  
  This game would be a joke.
  
  Which it isnt, just the NA company is facing problems.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-08-20 14:49

  Quote from Archibald;131838:

  Really 1500%???? Meaning you can do like 7500 (1500%) non crit with 500 max damage?

  
  
  Doubt that's true :S It's stronger than crit mag but if it is I shall spam Crash Shot
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-20 15:09

  Quote from Username;131845:

  That doesn't look right.
  And im half archer z-z Ive looked into this skill.
  That is not right. If it WAS like that.
  
  This game would be a joke.
  
  Which it isnt, just the NA company is facing problems.

  
  
  He assumes all 6 formors will gladly pack into area of 700 units for him.
  
  I find that monsters tend to space themselves out a bit more.
  
  A typical dungeon room is about 2500 units wide.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-20 15:25
  He's discussing this in ideal terms. Always hitting the max amount of targets, always hitting the max multiplier in damage.
  This skill can be stronger then magum, but only everything falls into place perfectly.
  
  Int magic doesn't need ideal conditions to unleash its full damage potential as long as its charged.
  (e.g. A Thunder will usually hit between 500-800 with full magic balance. 1 charge, conditions doesn't really matter. Yes even Hard SM.)