G12S2 introduces a skill that makes int magic obsolete

• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-08-20 16:16
  To explain these ideal conditions. The explosive damage can be so great thanks to the target bonus. Consider this, in Another Alchemist in an orb room you decided to go in an orb frenzy and unleash all of them. That's about 6-7 enemies in play per orb so we'll be seeing 20 monsters at an easy reach for r1 Crash Shot radius of 700 (better than windmill but lower than fireball). If you can hit a 250% fragmentation damage, then the explosive damage to the target will be 250% x 20 which is 5000%, which is probably overkill to the target. A critical would be 5000% x 2.5 letting us see a 12500% multiplier on the poor enemy and if you had a campfire enhanced arrow, that's another 1.5 multiplied therefore we see 18750%
  
  With my ranged damage of 300, that looks like 187.5 x 300 which can grant 56250 damage on that enemy given the right number of enemies caught in the fragmentation and the situation.
• Lan wrote on 2010-08-20 16:23

  Quote from Kyouriharu;131915:

  To explain these ideal conditions. The explosive damage can be so great thanks to the target bonus. Consider this, in Another Alchemist in an orb room you decided to go in an orb frenzy and unleash all of them. That's about 6-7 enemies in play per orb so we'll be seeing 20 monsters at an easy reach for r1 Crash Shot radius of 700 (better than windmill but lower than fireball). If you can hit a 250% fragmentation damage, then the explosive damage to the target will be 250% x 20 which is 5000%, which is probably overkill to the target. A critical would be 5000% x 2.5 letting us see a 12500% multiplier on the poor enemy and if you had a campfire enhanced arrow, that's another 1.5 multiplied therefore we see 18750%
  
  With my ranged damage of 300, that looks like 187.5 x 300 which can grant 56250 damage on that enemy given the right number of enemies caught in the fragmentation and the situation.

  
  
  ...:blood:
• IceBlade wrote on 2010-08-20 16:24

  3. Crash shot splashes a maximum of six targets at r1

  It's limited to 6 splash targets. And only the original target will suffer that massive damage the rest will only get 150-250%. And that massive damage is really only useful in boss rooms and there wouldn't be enough splash targets to get the full effect in most boss rooms.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-20 16:24

  Quote from wolfram;131878:

  He's discussing this in ideal terms. Always hitting the max amount of targets, always hitting the max multiplier in damage.
  This skill can be stronger then magum, but only everything falls into place perfectly.
  
  Int magic doesn't need ideal conditions to unleash its full damage potential as long as its charged.
  (e.g. A Thunder will usually hit between 500-800 with full magic balance. 1 charge, conditions doesn't really matter. Yes even Hard SM.)

  
  
  Pretty much this. The multiplier cap hasn't been proven. The formula, on the other hand, has been validated.
  
  Target deals 100% damage
  Splash either deals 150-250% or 250% damage
  Fragment deals either (150-250% x target count) or (150% x target count)
  
  We need hands-on experience with the skill because pack files and foreign info can only go so far.
  
  Crash Shot has awesome potential but it's a difficult skill to set up without resorting to barrier spikes (so that you can inflate the target count). As previously mentioned, the shot only explodes if the target count exceeds one. The fragmentation damage is still lower than magnum when facing two enemies. Magnum shot still has a use, even for humans.
  
  The load time is two seconds at r5. The animation lasts around two seconds and skills (including CS) can be loaded one second in. Essentially you can spam crash shot faster than windmill.
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-08-20 16:27
  You know what would be something worth abusing? Crash Shot hitting Barrier Spikes when in boss rooms. Hello instant 4 extra targets.
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-20 16:35

  Quote from Kyouriharu;131927:

  You know what would be something worth abusing? Crash Shot hitting Barrier Spikes when in boss rooms. Hello instant 4 extra targets.

  
  
  Hard to set up unless it's Rabbie. Bosses usually aggro pretty fast.
• Cide wrote on 2010-08-20 16:42

  Quote from wolfram;131933:

  Hard to set up unless it's Rabbie. Bosses usually aggro pretty fast.

  
  
  not too hard if you're an elf. :'D hide is amazing.
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-08-20 16:45

  Quote from Cide;131942:

  not too hard if you're an elf. :'D hide is amazing.

  
  
  *internet high-five*
• wolfram wrote on 2010-08-20 16:59

  Quote from Kyouriharu;131946:

  *internet high-five*

  
  
  Damn my humanness! xD
• Cide wrote on 2010-08-20 17:12

  Quote from Kyouriharu;131946:

  *internet high-five*

  
  
  o/\o!!
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-20 17:19
  Can't you just send pets to draw aggro before setting wall? You can even just send your party members to attack the boss first while you setup the wall. :lol:
  
  Anyways, I don't see how Crash Shot will be good versus singular monsters with enormous amount of protection and HP, like around 80% protection with 20k HP like Provocation HM bosses.
  
  Still, all archers should get this to r1 for the extra dex even if you don't want to use it.
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-08-20 17:40

  Quote from EndlessDreams;131985:

  Anyways, I don't see how Crash Shot will be good versus singular monsters with enormous amount of protection and HP, like around 80% protection with 20k HP like Provocation HM bosses.
  

  
  True, especially the Basalisk. Though with that mission specifically, Provocation, the walls buff the Crash Shot target count (I think so anyways) so yeah.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-20 18:00

  Quote from EndlessDreams;131985:

  Can't you just send pets to draw aggro before setting wall? You can even just send your party members to attack the boss first while you setup the wall. :lol:
  
  Anyways, I don't see how Crash Shot will be good versus singular monsters with enormous amount of protection and HP, like around 80% protection with 20k HP like Provocation HM bosses.
  
  Still, all archers should get this to r1 for the extra dex even if you don't want to use it.

  
  
  Extreme max damage. Barrier spikes can help you one-shot bosses although that isn't crash shot's purpose. It allows you to whittle down large groups of enemies by quickly chipping away group health with splash damage and group size with fragmentation damage.
  
  Theoretically in a perfect setting you could deal some insane damage.
  
  Untransed max: 500+
  Trans damage: 130+
  Demi-god damage: Around 100
  Total damage: 730ish
  Fragmentation multiplier: x15
  Campfire bonus: x1.5
  Elemental bonus: x2
  Critical multiplier: x2.5
  Possible 80k damage?
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-20 18:08

  Quote from Kaeporo;132030:

  Extreme max damage. Barrier spikes can help you one-shot bosses although that isn't crash shot's purpose. It allows you to whittle down large groups of enemies by quickly chipping away group health with splash damage and group size with fragmentation damage.
  
  Theoretically in a perfect setting you could deal some insane damage.
  
  Untransed max: 500+
  Trans damage: 130+
  Demi-god damage: Around 100
  Total damage: 730ish
  Fragmentation multiplier: x15
  Campfire bonus: x1.5
  Elemental bonus: x2
  Critical multiplier: x2.5
  Possible 80k damage?

  
  
  Those theoretical are so outrageous that you won't ever see such a thing in actual game.
  Do you have any screen shots of a 10k crash shot in any actual in-game situation?
  
  You are far more likely to use something like Blaze (on something that doesn't have advance heavy stander), and doing thousands of damage with combat wand+knockdown than getting close to that kind of setup.
• Taliya wrote on 2010-08-20 18:29
  Why were people crying about how useless this skill was about a month ago again?
  
  Also, I can imagine crash shot being lawlsy in EvG pvp.
  
  Wonder how Charge vs Crash Shot works.