Brionac and/or training seals for life skills ...

• Syliara wrote on 2013-12-18 21:14

  Quote from Proxied;1179619:

  Ill be the first to admit I do this. A lot lol

  
  
  me too... You would be surprised how much free time i have :C
• SlurpTASTY wrote on 2013-12-18 21:33

  Quote from Proxied;1179619:

  Ill be the first to admit I do this. A lot lol

  
  
  Agreed, I do this even if I don't have a party up. Idek why, habit I guess.
• Justified wrote on 2013-12-18 22:48

  Quote from cheese758;1179611:

  I understand that some mats are hard to come by, so I still support using seals for smithing and brionac for engineering and magic craft.

  
  
  I don't know about that. Engineering, Magic Craft, and Carpentry materials are incredibly easy to gather.
  I would get around 50-80 stacks of Poison Herbs, when I was advertising, enough to get 40% of r2 -> r1 Magic Craft in one week.
  
  Honestly, since the bulk of Magic Craft and Ecology (and Engineering) is just afk-ing with a Samoyed out, it's probably some of the worst skills to use Seals on if you have alternatives.
  Blacksmithing and Tailoring materials are much harder to come by unless people hoarded enough from the Night Market. And the stuff you make training those skills are worthless, so it's a waste of money unlike the profit from Craft.
• Chaos' wrote on 2013-12-19 03:51
  i find the crafting part of magic crafting and enginering extremely time consuming. At r4 magic crafting you already need to make 4k bullets just for 32 pts and r4 engineering would require 4k bolt/nut to be crafted which imo takes a shitty long time to complete.
  
  Even 30% of that takes quite some time since i doubt any actually watches ur character make those 20 items and quickly place more into the tab to be crafted.
• Justified wrote on 2013-12-19 11:08

  Quote from Chaos';1179793:

  Even 30% of that takes quite some time since i doubt any actually watches ur character make those 20 items and quickly place more into the tab to be crafted.

  
  
  Most people just remedy that problem.
• cheese758 wrote on 2013-12-20 00:59

  Quote from Justified;1179978:

  Most people just remedy that problem.

  
  
  How o.o?
  
  Also regarding your last post, seals are definitely inefficient for Mc and Engineering. Brionac however, only costs 1 ap to save 2-3 hours of work. That's more than a bargain in my opinion.
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2013-12-20 01:13

  Quote from cheese758;1180241:

  How o.o?
  
  Also regarding your last post, seals are definitely inefficient for Mc and Engineering. Brionac however, only costs 1 ap to save 2-3 hours of work. That's more than a bargain in my opinion.

  
  
  Mods...
• Justified wrote on 2013-12-20 04:29

  Quote from cheese758;1180241:

  How o.o?
  
  Also regarding your last post, seals are definitely inefficient for Mc and Engineering. Brionac however, only costs 1 ap to save 2-3 hours of work. That's more than a bargain in my opinion.

  
  
  The problem with Brionac is it's slow. Seal training is fast, but it's very time consuming and monotonous.
  
  But my point was mostly about general efficiency. Magic Craft requires very little input. The double patch of Ecology lets you auto-gather for 10 minutes straight, and respawns instantly. [S]And remedied production can go for up to 10-25 minutes without stopping.[/S] It's not much different than your general Dunby AFK-ing.
  The Monday I hit Rank 2 I was mostly watching TV and playing on my Tablet but I still got 15% done the same day.
  
  Plus, if you hoard your materials and save it for the good stuff (meaning not Mana Bullets, Purified Rabbit Feet, or Blasted Oak Wands), then the time you spend is both skill training and gold making. At least on Ruairi, I made 60M in profit after overpaying for materials and underselling. Might not be as good now that more people are finishing it up, but it's probably still worthwhile.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2013-12-20 04:48
  Did you do all the Magic Engineering under 1x prof? That is still a lot of hours. Although, the time gathering seals might take a very long time as well.
• Justified wrote on 2013-12-20 05:02

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1180307:

  Did you do all the Magic Engineering under 1x prof? That is still a lot of hours. Although, the time gathering seals might take a very long time as well.

  
  
  Yup. I came back with 1 week of 2x left and didn't notice it affected Life Skills so I only got to like Rank B with a boost.
  
  I gathered around 300 Seals in one week, but as stated AFK-ing is much easier and is needed to make stuff anyways.
• Howhurl wrote on 2013-12-20 15:47

  Quote from Yuuki Asuna;1179260:

  r5-r2 Magic Craft, [UB]Tailoring r4-r3[/UB], Engineering (haven't done this shit), Handi r4 and r3, Blacksmithing (idk which ranks I did this shit in 24 hours) are probably worth it.
  
  Ultimately it depends on what you value more, that is, your playing time or your fiscal resources.

  
  
  Holy shit, so it's not my fault for being lazy at r4 tailoring 8D
• Chaos' wrote on 2013-12-20 17:29
  gettings seals seems so much easier then attempting to buy materials
  
  and magic crafting is by far the easier one to complete than engineering. Only real problem is the random nub that lures/mess up the monsters in shyllien reserves and the massive amount of poison herbs you need [which isnt too difficult to obtain]. Engineering however requires a shit ton of emerald core and nickel that requires fighting much more annoying mobs, not to mention its more difficult clearing out mine-able patches.
• cheese758 wrote on 2013-12-20 21:33
  If you guys aren't mods to clear out the big shyllien rock, would you mind sharing your method? I can clear out the big hillwen rock easily by luring the golems with pets but the mutant flowers in shyllien are unmovable o.o....
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2013-12-20 21:36

  Quote from cheese758;1180484:

  If you guys aren't mods to clear out the big shyllien rock, would you mind sharing your method? I can clear out the big hillwen rock easily by luring the golems with pets but the mutant flowers in shyllien are unmovable o.o....

  
  
  ... We meant modding the production limit past the default value not modding to clear the rock.
  
  Just agro four small plants then you're good.
• cheese758 wrote on 2013-12-20 22:58

  Quote from Yuuki Asuna;1180486:

  ... We meant modding the production limit past the default value not modding to clear the rock.
  
  Just agro four small plants then you're good.

  
  
  I mentioned mods because I haven't been able to find a way to mine that big rock that isn't considered an "exploit." If there is a legitimate way to reach that rock, I would like to know about it.