So I'm on my parents desktop

• Loopulse wrote on 2014-01-23 02:10

  Quote from Evaris;1190604:

  How exactly is porn vile? Masturbation is good for the health of both males and females, is one of the human body's best natural reliefs to stress, and generally, masturbation is fun. Porn helps many people masturbate, and sex in general is a natural part of life, and most people do have something of a drive to breed. Without a person to do it with, well... there are only so many options, especially given many people lack the imagination to be able to be successful on a regular basis merely fantasizing.
  
  Also an important note, you know that nearly every study on the topic has shown that easy access to porn drastically reduces the rate of rapes in a given society, right?
  
  Lastly, I know I at least have a pornography collection, with around 2000 images, about 100 or so stories, and a few dozen flash hentai games / videos.

  
  
  Alcohol helps people have fun, yet it also leads to drunk driving and addiction. It is also unhealthy and expensive.
  
  Furthermore, wouldn't you agree that because people watch pr0n, their imagination is weaker? I mean, if you don't use it, you lose it.
  
  

  Quote from Hanna;1190627:

  You mean post his unpopular opinion?
  If unpopular opinions are against the rules I should have been banned long ago
  
  Either way loop is a kid, he once posted how sex outside of marriage should be illegal sooo my best guess is that puberty hasn't set in yet and he will learn one day
  I used to think a lot like loop

  
  
  I said that if people are so "AMQ STOP AIDSS!!!!!!111111!!! IT'S WURSE THEN CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" then it would be a viable solution if people would follow it.
  
  That was it.
• Loopulse wrote on 2014-01-23 02:10

  Quote from Evaris;1190604:

  How exactly is porn vile? Masturbation is good for the health of both males and females, is one of the human body's best natural reliefs to stress, and generally, masturbation is fun. Porn helps many people masturbate, and sex in general is a natural part of life, and most people do have something of a drive to breed. Without a person to do it with, well... there are only so many options, especially given many people lack the imagination to be able to be successful on a regular basis merely fantasizing.
  
  Also an important note, you know that nearly every study on the topic has shown that easy access to porn drastically reduces the rate of rapes in a given society, right?
  
  Lastly, I know I at least have a pornography collection, with around 2000 images, about 100 or so stories, and a few dozen flash hentai games / videos.

  
  
  Alcohol helps people have fun, yet it also leads to drunk driving and addiction. It is also unhealthy and expensive.
  
  Furthermore, wouldn't you agree that because people watch pr0n, their imagination is weaker? I mean, if you don't use it, you lose it.
  
  As for rape, that doesn't mean that it's good for most people. The only people that legalizing pr0n helped (in the long run) is the rapists, or people who were prone to becoming rapists.
  
  Oh, and rape victims of course.
  
  

  Quote from Hanna;1190627:

  You mean post his unpopular opinion?
  If unpopular opinions are against the rules I should have been banned long ago
  
  Either way loop is a kid, he once posted how sex outside of marriage should be illegal sooo my best guess is that puberty hasn't set in yet and he will learn one day
  I used to think a lot like loop

  
  
  I said that if people are so "AMQ STOP AIDSS!!!!!!111111!!! IT'S WURSE THEN CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" then it would be a viable solution if people would follow it.
  
  That was it.
  
  Onto another topic, I find it very rude how some people think that I'm a troll because I have an unpopular opinion. It's funny how some people are like "AM DEMOCRATIC AND LIBERAL!!!" then continue to bully me for having a different opinion.
• Evaris wrote on 2014-01-23 02:18

  Quote from Loopulse;1190652:

  Alcohol helps people have fun, yet it also leads to drunk driving and addiction. It is also unhealthy and expensive.
  
  Furthermore, wouldn't you agree that because people watch pr0n, their imagination is weaker? I mean, if you don't use it, you lose it.
  
  
  
  I said that if people are so "AMQ STOP AIDSS!!!!!!111111!!! IT'S WURSE THEN CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" then it would be a viable solution if people would follow it.
  
  That was it.

  
  
  1. But unlike Alchohol, masturbation is one of the healthiest things for the human body, with no negative side effects unless there are psychological triggers pushed into someone's mind that there is something inherently wrong with it, in which case it is because of the bad upbringing that there is a problem in the first place. Also, masturbation is free. In the case of pornography, it is again healthy, and in the modern age of the internet, often free.
  
  2. No, it's not because people watch porn, especially in males, where sexual stimulation is strongly increased through visual cues.
  
  3. If you want to stop AIDS, stopping sex outside of marriage wouldn't really do anything, not to mention, doing so would be practically impossible to enforce (given most people have sex in private anyhow.) and the homosexual community wouldn't have any sort of way to show that they were having sex. The only groups that would be caught are those that are either A: too loud, or B: have a child. If you really wanted to stop AIDS, you would require a worldwide check for HIV strains, followed by quarantine / neutering / euthenization of the infected populace if a cure is impossible to find. (though research is getting along further so... just give it another half-decade to a decade and we should have a cure)
• Splatulated wrote on 2014-01-23 02:21

  Quote from Loopulse;1190652:

  Alcohol helps people have fun, yet it also leads to drunk driving and addiction. It is also unhealthy and expensive.
  
  Furthermore, wouldn't you agree that because people watch pr0n, their imagination is weaker? I mean, if you don't use it, you lose it.
  
  As for rape, that doesn't mean that it's good for most people. The only people that legalizing pr0n helped (in the long run) is the rapists, or people who were prone to becoming rapists.
  
  Oh, and rape victims of course.
  
  
  
  I said that if people are so "AMQ STOP AIDSS!!!!!!111111!!! IT'S WURSE THEN CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" then it would be a viable solution if people would follow it.
  
  That was it.
  
  Onto another topic, I find it very rude how some people think that I'm a troll because I have an unpopular opinion. It's funny how some people are like "AM DEMOCRATIC AND LIBERAL!!!" then continue to bully me for having a different opinion.

  
  
  this website doesnt have a filter you can say porn 2 you can also edit your post .-.
• Loopulse wrote on 2014-01-23 02:22

  Quote from Evaris;1190655:

  1. But unlike Alchohol, masturbation is one of the healthiest things for the human body, with no negative side effects unless there are psychological triggers pushed into someone's mind that there is something inherently wrong with it, in which case it is because of the bad upbringing that there is a problem in the first place. Also, masturbation is free. In the case of pornography, it is again healthy, and in the modern age of the internet, often free.
  
  2. No, it's not because people watch porn, especially in males, where sexual stimulation is strongly increased through visual cues.
  
  3. If you want to stop AIDS, stopping sex outside of marriage wouldn't really do anything, not to mention, doing so would be practically impossible to enforce (given most people have sex in private anyhow.) and the homosexual community wouldn't have any sort of way to show that they were having sex. The only groups that would be caught are those that are either A: too loud, or B: have a child. If you really wanted to stop AIDS, you would require a worldwide check for HIV strains, followed by quarantine / neutering / euthenization of the infected populace if a cure is impossible to find. (though research is getting along further so... just give it another half-decade to a decade and we should have a cure)

  
  
  1. I'm arguing against pr0n, not masturbation (lol).
  
  2. You never explained how the imagination is not weakened by watching pr0n. You don't use it, you lose it.
  
  3. I'm not arguing this today, though I think that if the law in place, it would at least discourage it and perhaps lower the rates.
• Syliara wrote on 2014-01-23 02:24
  This argument is a bad road and should be stopped now before it turns into something along the lines of name calling. Its personal opinions vs personal opinions and nobody will get anywhere with it.
  
  But yes taycat you should dig till you find da pr0nz.
• Loopulse wrote on 2014-01-23 02:25

  Quote from Nui;1190659:

  This argument is a bad road and should be stopped now before it turns into something along the lines of name calling. Its personal opinions vs personal opinions and nobody will get anywhere with it.
  
  But yes taycat you should dig till you find da pr0nz.

  
  
  Evaris seems mature enough not to name call me, and I avoid going ad hominem on people, unless they're a total jerk. :3
• Syliara wrote on 2014-01-23 02:31

  Quote from Loopulse;1190660:

  Evaris seems mature enough not to name call me, and I avoid going ad hominem on people, unless they're a total jerk. :3

  
  
  I assume everyone will revert to name calling at some point until proven otherwise. It helps me be prepared for it when it happens 95% of the time.
• Hanna wrote on 2014-01-23 02:42
  I like how loop thinks outside the box and doesn't change his views to fit with anyone else's
• Loopulse wrote on 2014-01-23 02:50

  Quote from Hanna;1190672:

  I like how loop thinks outside the box and doesn't change his views to fit with anyone else's

  
  
  I listen to arguments, but I fight for the truth even on unpopular sides.
  
  Thinking outside the box is needed.
• Evaris wrote on 2014-01-23 03:33

  Quote from Loopulse;1190658:

  1. I'm arguing against pr0n, not masturbation (lol).
  
  2. You never explained how the imagination is not weakened by watching pr0n. You don't use it, you lose it.
  
  3. I'm not arguing this today, though I think that if the law in place, it would at least discourage it and perhaps lower the rates.

  
  
  1. Back on pornography, I do have to ask as to why you continue to refer to it using the filter-dodging internet term rather than the actual word. And on the topic of porn itself, we still have the point that it is shown in every study on the matter I have read that there is a direct correlation with easy access to porn and drops in rape rates. Here's the first source on a quick google search; http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2006/10/how_the_web_prevents_rape.html
  
  2. Do you have any evidence to support that viewing porn reduces a person's ability to fantasize? If so I'd love to read such a scientific article.
  
  3. Different topic, but ineffective while causing other social strains and an increase in incarceration when the USA already has the most crowded jails on the planet.
• Loopulse wrote on 2014-01-23 03:43

  Quote from Evaris;1190703:

  1. Back on pornography, I do have to ask as to why you continue to refer to it using the filter-dodging internet term rather than the actual word. And on the topic of porn itself, we still have the point that it is shown in every study on the matter I have read that there is a direct correlation with easy access to porn and drops in rape rates. Here's the first source on a quick google search; http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2006/10/how_the_web_prevents_rape.html
  
  2. Do you have any evidence to support that viewing porn reduces a person's ability to fantasize? If so I'd love to read such a scientific article.
  
  3. Different topic, but ineffective while causing other social strains and an increase in incarceration when the USA already has the most crowded jails on the planet.

  
  
  1. It only helps a small minority, as I stated before. The rest, it hurts.
  
  2. Well, this isn't about fantasies, but I'm sure this is still relevant in my argument. This also works. Also, you used the word "natural" earlier, when pr0n is clearly unnatural.
  
  3. You said that it would be too difficult to catch people, so the minuscule number wouldn't make a noticeable difference.
  
  Furthermore, who said that people would be jailed?
• Evaris wrote on 2014-01-23 04:11

  Quote from Loopulse;1190707:

  1. It only helps a small minority, as I stated before. The rest, it hurts.
  
  2. Well, this isn't about fantasies, but I'm sure this is still relevant in my argument. This also works. Also, you used the word "natural" earlier, when pr0n is clearly unnatural.
  
  3. You said that it would be too difficult to catch people, so the minuscule number wouldn't make a noticeable difference.
  
  Furthermore, who said that people would be jailed?

  
  
  1. "small minority." Okay, reducing rape rates by 3/4ths of a percent by the percent of increase of internet porn availability is a small minority... umm no. And who is it hurting?
  
  2. First off, I'd like to point out both links quote the same source. Pornography, while you may consider unnatural given it's a form of art, has been around since the ancient Greeks and earlier. It is something that came out of human development after clothing became normal in most every human civilization that has formed, so if nothing else, it is something that has come out of the unnatural act of wearing clothing. As it -is- natural for males to oggle females and become sexually stimulated by doing so.
  And on that second source.
  
  Developing a tolerance toward pornography, so that increasingly novel or bizarre porn is needed to maintain the same level of interest
  I don't see why this would happen unless an individual has a drive for more novel/bizarre. I haven't sought out new types of porn since I was 18.
  Misperceptions of exaggerated sexual activity among men and women
  Usually only due to lack of proper sexual education early in life, often from lazy or scared to talk about sex parents.
  Overestimating the popularity of sexual practices such as group sex, bestiality, and sadomasochism
  As my answer to #2.
  Diminished trust in intimate partners
  The only way this would happen is if there was a trust issue in the first place.
  Abandoning the goal of having a monogamous marriage
  Is there a problem with polyamorism?
  Believing sexual promiscuity is normal
  Perhaps not 'normal' in modern western society, but it is quite natural according to burial records, actions in other primates, and general attraction studies.
  Believing sexual chastity is harmful to one’s health
  Pushing sexual chastity can strain relationships as well however. Also, masturbation is a good thing.
  Developing cynical attitudes about love and fidelity
  See proper parenting.
  Believing superior sexual satisfaction is attainable without love or intimacy
  Again, see proper parenting.
  Believing marriage is sexually confining
  Parenting.
  Believing that having children and raising a family is confining
  Once again, parenting.
  Developing a negative body image, especially for women
  Blame society here. Also, parenting.
  Increased risk of developing sexual addiction
  Anyone have statistics for this? Also, so long as it is with healthy partners devoid of STDs, with birth control used, it is no worse than a video game addiction.
  Increased risk of exposure to “incorrect” information about human sexuality (e.g., bestiality, pedophilia)
  Parenting.
  Exposure to age-inappropriate sexual material [Editor’s note: One should ask here whether the authors of this study consider erotica ever to be “age-appropriate,” or whether this is simply a way of avoiding judgment on adult consumption of erotica.]
  Parents using internet controls. Also, parenting in general.
  
  
  As far as I see it, most of the "issues" with pornography tend to source from lax parents or education systems in teach about sexuality in a reasonable if not even complete manner. Part of the negatives in question stem from many parents not talking about what they do to their children, and try to shush shush and hide sexuality except when it comes up from other sources. Kinda my issue with western society in general in glorfying violence while leaving sexuality in the back corners of things. why is it we see death, blood, and gore on TV, but an act of creating life, an act of peace, love, and creation, something good for the world, is that which is considered "too mature" for younger audiences and hidden?
  3. You know the saying "every drop of water raises the ocean?" Yeah. As far as jailing, if it's only a misdemeanor + fine... it would likely be ignored, like the laws in 10 or so states that ban all sex but missionary position.
  
  On another point, have another article; http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-sunny-side-of-smut/
• Loopulse wrote on 2014-01-23 04:21

  Quote from Evaris;1190715:

  1. "small minority." Okay, reducing rape rates by 3/4ths of a percent by the percent of increase of internet porn availability is a small minority... umm no. And who is it hurting?
  
  2. First off, I'd like to point out both links quote the same source. Pornography, while you may consider unnatural given it's a form of art, has been around since the ancient Greeks and earlier. It is something that came out of human development after clothing became normal in most every human civilization that has formed, so if nothing else, it is something that has come out of the unnatural act of wearing clothing. As it -is- natural for males to oggle females and become sexually stimulated by doing so.
  And on that second source.
  
  Developing a tolerance toward pornography, so that increasingly novel or bizarre porn is needed to maintain the same level of interest
  I don't see why this would happen unless an individual has a drive for more novel/bizarre. I haven't sought out new types of porn since I was 18.
  Misperceptions of exaggerated sexual activity among men and women
  Usually only due to lack of proper sexual education early in life, often from lazy or scared to talk about sex parents.
  Overestimating the popularity of sexual practices such as group sex, bestiality, and sadomasochism
  As my answer to #2.
  Diminished trust in intimate partners
  The only way this would happen is if there was a trust issue in the first place.
  Abandoning the goal of having a monogamous marriage
  Is there a problem with polyamorism?
  Believing sexual promiscuity is normal
  Perhaps not 'normal' in modern western society, but it is quite natural according to burial records, actions in other primates, and general attraction studies.
  Believing sexual chastity is harmful to one’s health
  Pushing sexual chastity can strain relationships as well however. Also, masturbation is a good thing.
  Developing cynical attitudes about love and fidelity
  See proper parenting.
  Believing superior sexual satisfaction is attainable without love or intimacy
  Again, see proper parenting.
  Believing marriage is sexually confining
  Parenting.
  Believing that having children and raising a family is confining
  Once again, parenting.
  Developing a negative body image, especially for women
  Blame society here. Also, parenting.
  Increased risk of developing sexual addiction
  Anyone have statistics for this? Also, so long as it is with healthy partners devoid of STDs, with birth control used, it is no worse than a video game addiction.
  Increased risk of exposure to “incorrect” information about human sexuality (e.g., bestiality, pedophilia)
  Parenting.
  Exposure to age-inappropriate sexual material [Editor’s note: One should ask here whether the authors of this study consider erotica ever to be “age-appropriate,” or whether this is simply a way of avoiding judgment on adult consumption of erotica.]
  Parents using internet controls. Also, parenting in general.
  
  
  As far as I see it, most of the "issues" with pornography tend to source from lax parents or education systems in teach about sexuality in a reasonable if not even complete manner. Part of the negatives in question stem from many parents not talking about what they do to their children, and try to shush shush and hide sexuality except when it comes up from other sources. Kinda my issue with western society in general in glorfying violence while leaving sexuality in the back corners of things. why is it we see death, blood, and gore on TV, but an act of creating life, an act of peace, love, and creation, something good for the world, is that which is considered "too mature" for younger audiences and hidden?
  3. You know the saying "every drop of water raises the ocean?" Yeah. As far as jailing, if it's only a misdemeanor + fine... it would likely be ignored, like the laws in 10 or so states that ban all sex but missionary position.

  
  
  1. It hurts pr0n watchers, and people in relationships with pr0n watchers. Furthermore, you're acting as if there aren't other ways that can allow people to release their thoughts or urges. We simply need proper education and facilities to help these people.
  
  2. Clothing is a survival technique. Humans didn't have enough hair in colder climates, so they made clothes.
  
  "Usually only due to lack of proper sexual education early in life, often from lazy or scared to talk about sex parents."
  
  Still happens either way. I could also say that rape often occurs from laziness or fear of talking to someone about it.
  
  "Is there a problem with polyamorism?"
  
  No, but most want a monogamy. Pr0n hurts that goal.
  
  "Pushing sexual chastity can strain relationships as well however. Also, masturbation is a good thing."
  
  *sighs*
  
  Your point? This is talking about people voluntarily watching pr0n.
  
  Furthermore, you already admitted that children won't talk to their parents about this stuff, so your "parenting" points are irrelevant.
  
  3. So what if it's ignored? It may still have an impact on individuals.
  
  I don't torrent/pirate because it's illegal. No other reason.
• Evaris wrote on 2014-01-23 04:31

  Quote from Loopulse;1190717:

  1. It hurts pr0n watchers, and people in relationships with pr0n watchers. Furthermore, you're acting as if there aren't other ways that can allow people to release their thoughts or urges. We simply need proper education and facilities to help these people.
  I watch porn, as does my fiance. I have none of the issues talked about, in fact it is something we enjoy doing so together. As for other ways, you mean like masturbating without porn, which is difficult for some people?
  
  2. Clothing is a survival technique. Humans didn't have enough hair in colder climates, so they made clothes.
  And what of modern society where clothing is mandatory even outside of cold climates?
  
  "Usually only due to lack of proper sexual education early in life, often from lazy or scared to talk about sex parents."
  
  Still happens either way. I could also say that rape often occurs from laziness or fear of talking to someone about it.
  Or from sociopaths unable to get a relationship, but eh.
  
  "Is there a problem with polyamorism?"
  
  No, but most want a monogamy. Pr0n hurts that goal.
  And a lot of people want a monogamy because they were raised with it being drilled into them that that is the only acceptable form of long term relationship to the point where in western society it is pretty much brainwashing at this point.
  
  "Pushing sexual chastity can strain relationships as well however. Also, masturbation is a good thing."
  
  *sighs*
  
  Your point? This is talking about people voluntarily watching pr0n.
  
  Furthermore, you already admitted that children won't talk to their parents about this stuff, so your "parenting" points are irrelevant.
  Then the parents should make the children listen by bringing it up openly on a regular basis. Talk about it from a young age, before it becomes the thing to hide.
  
  3. So what if it's ignored? It may still have an impact on individuals.
  
  I don't torrent/pirate because it's illegal. No other reason.

  
  And look at the millions who do torrent/pirate and don't care that it's illegal.