[Equipment] Let's Settle This Once and For All

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Kenero wrote on 2014-01-27 18:42

I will give different tiers of equipment and you fill them in. Let's resolve this once and for all.

Guide:

Low Tier- Someone who has just started out. Resources and money is low. Typical Low Tier would be to own a Fox or Victorious set to just keep oneself ahead of the game until levels and money are accumulated better for stabilization.

Mid Tier - Someone who is strong enough to hunt or buy better equipment with better experience in the game. Resources and money is moderate. Keep in mind that Mid Tier equipment have TOLERABLE repair rates. Meaning a Demonic Lance would not qualify as mid tier due to monetary expenses.

High Tier - Someone who is considered very experienced, well established, with high level or understanding of the game. Resources and Money should be more than enough for repairs and more to splurge now and then.

Master Tier - The absolute best, at this point, you're gouging for a single point of increase. Unlike High Tier, which is equipment which is extremely good to have and no shame in being high level or experience and still using it, Master Tier spares no room for wiggles, meaning highest roll on Artisan, level 6 S/R, and highest roll on reforge, etc, whereas High Tier can accept Level 5 S/R and High Tier may prefer for example Lv.16 reforge as oppose to lv.20.

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[SIZE="3"]Melee Equipment[/SIZE]

[spoiler="Low Tier Weapons"]

Lance:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Two-handed Sword:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Alchemy Cylinder:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Bow:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

etc. Just add weapons.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Mid Tier Weapons"]

Lance:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Two-handed Sword:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Alchemy Cylinder:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Bow:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

etc. Just add weapons.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="High Tier Weapons"]

Lance:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Two-handed Sword:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Alchemy Cylinder:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Bow:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

etc. Just add weapons.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Master Tier Weapons"]

Lance:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Two-handed Sword:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Alchemy Cylinder:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

Bow:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
S or R:

etc. Just add weapons.

[/spoiler]

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[SIZE="3"]Armor/Clothing Equipment[/SIZE]

[spoiler="Mid Tier Armor/Clothing Equipment"]

Heavy Armor:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Light Armor:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Clothing:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Low Tier Armor/Clothing Equipment"]

Heavy Armor:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Light Armor:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Clothing:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="High Tier Armor/Clothing Equipment"]

Heavy Armor:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Light Armor:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Clothing:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Master Tier Armor/Clothing Equipment"]

Heavy Armor:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Light Armor:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Clothing:
Upgrade Path:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

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[SIZE="3"]Shoes/Greaves Equipment[/SIZE]

[spoiler="Low Tier Shoes/Greaves"]

Shoes:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Light Boots:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Heavy Boots:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Mid Tier Shoes/Greaves"]

Shoes:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Light Boots:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Heavy Boots:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="High Tier Shoes/Greaves"]

Shoes:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Light Boots:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Heavy Boots:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Master Tier Shoes/Greaves"]

Shoes:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Light Boots:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Heavy Boots:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

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[SIZE="3"]Gloves/Gauntlets Equipment[/SIZE]

[spoiler="Low Tier Gloves/Gauntlets Equipment"]

Gloves:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Gauntlet:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Mid Tier Gloves/Gauntlets Equipment"]

Gloves:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Gauntlet:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="High Tier Gloves/Gauntlets Equipment"]

Gloves:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Gauntlet:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Master Tier Gloves/Gauntlets Equipment"]

Gloves:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Gauntlet:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

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[SIZE="3"]Hat/Helmet Equipment[/SIZE]

[spoiler="Low Tier Equipment"]

Hat:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Helmet:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Mid Tier Equipment"]

Hat:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Helmet:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="High Tier Equipment"]

Hat:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Helmet:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Master Tier Equipment"]

Hat:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Helmet:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

[/spoiler]

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[size="3"]Shields[/size]

[spoiler="Low Tier Shields"]

Small Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Medium Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Large Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Mid Tier Shields"]

Small Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Medium Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Large Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
[/spoiler]

[spoiler="High Tier Shields"]

Small Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Medium Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Large Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Master Tier Shields"]

Small Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Medium Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:

Large Shield:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
[/spoiler]

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[size="3"]Accessories[/size]

[spoiler="Low Tier Accessories"]

Accessory:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Mid Tier Accessories"]

Accessory:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
[/spoiler]

[spoiler="High Tier Accessories"]

Accessory:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Master Tier Accessories"]

Accessory:
Prefix:
Suffix:
Reforge:
[/spoiler]

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[SIZE="3"]Equipment Effects[/SIZE]

[spoiler="Low Tier Effect Type"]

I.e. Magic Reduction

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Mid Tier Effect Type"]

I.e. Charge Enhancement

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="High Tier Effect Type"]

I.e. Smash or Windmill Enhancement

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Master Tier Effect Type"]

I.e. Magnum Shot and Support Shot Enhancement

[/spoiler]

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[SIZE="3"]Others[/SIZE]

[spoiler="Other Low Tier Equipment"]

I.e. Totems, Titles

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Other Mid Tier Equipment"]

I.e. Totems, Titles

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Other High Tier Equipment"]

I.e. Totems, Titles

[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Other Master Tier Equipment"]

I.e. Totems, Titles

[/spoiler]

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Kenero wrote on 2014-01-27 19:05

Done, go ahead and let me see your thoughts.

I will catalog them.
Tropa wrote on 2014-01-27 19:09

Master Water Alchemist:

Abyss Cylinder: Synergy Calamity - R type
Full Water damage upgrades
Watercannon Max damage
Water Alchemic damage
Raincasting Duration

Cressida Wear: Boiling Ripple
Raincasting Watercannon damage

Gloves: Magical Ripple
Watercannon Range
Raincloud range

Boots: Magical Ripple
Raincasting cooldown
Water Alchemy effectiveness

Head: Magical Frozen
Shock Duration

Set effects:
Watercannon Enhancement
Flameburst Enhancement

from the top of my head
ALLCAPSLOCK wrote on 2014-01-27 19:10

Is this going to be comparing different sets? Or basically saying "This is the epitome of the Melee Mid Tier Weapons"?
Kenero wrote on 2014-01-27 19:14

Quote from ALLCAPSLOCK;1192163:
Is this going to be comparing different sets? Or basically saying "This is the epitome of the Melee Mid Tier Weapons"?

Different comparison may be made.

Especially for different ensemble effects, there may be more than 2-3 mid/high.

However for Master, there can only be one, the absolute best in the group.

Also for titles, it can be like:

Low Tier (melee): slayed a Bear with a Single Blow/slayed a Golem with a Single Blow

High Tier (melee): The Master of Shock + Ruairi/Hamlet/Dark Ruairi Title

Master Tier (melee): The Blood Master + Nao 2ndary Title

are some examples of different for being introduced. However, Master can be separated by having 1 melee, 1 range, 1 magic, 1 alchemy, etc. specific.

For Master Tier, you can have Nao as the melee/range/guns master title but for music, it would be Yvona.
Chaos' wrote on 2014-01-27 19:16

shouldnt this be in the guide section?

Melee Weapon 1h:
Low - upgrade fox giant broadsword/gladius
Mid - smithed lizard raven broadswords or Beam Swords?

Melee 2h
Low - upgrade hlc?
Mid - untamed violent hlc ele 2?
High - r5 lich croc hlc

Melee lance
Low - upgrade knight/lion claw lance?
Mid - untamed violent lion claw/knight? ele 2?
High - r5 secret penetrating knight/demonic ele 5+

Melee bow
Low - upgrade llb
Mid - lizard hoodlum fomor llb ele 2
High - Glorious Thorn/skilled? hlb ele5+?
Xeno wrote on 2014-01-27 19:23

I feel like a lot of the high-end gear is very subjective in what is considered "perfect". At least to me, it is. For example I personally would love to have max roll nostalgic avenger accs, but someone might say oblivion avenger is technically better, while I'd argue that -1 damage for extra puppet damage versatility is better. See what I mean?
Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2014-01-27 19:29

Quote from Xeno;1192168:
I feel like a lot of the high-end gear is very subjective in what is considered "perfect". At least to me, it is. For example I personally would love to have max roll nostalgic avenger accs, but someone might say oblivion avenger is technically better, while I'd argue that -1 damage for extra puppet damage versatility is better. See what I mean?

I would say that for close calls such as those, one could list several options as opposed to "super perfect impossible shit for no-lifes". Options are far more useful to those consulting this guide than opinions will ever be.
Kyubey wrote on 2014-01-27 19:40

Puppeteer / master

Note : max or near max roll for all enchants

Weapon:
r5~r6 Carved Colossus/Antagonist (It's a lie) Demonic handles w/ near max roll artisan
Reforge : Most important reforge since past a certain point (having all r1 skills and most of dex/str capped) this will be the only way to get a decent boost in damage. However 2 things, act7 is already overkill without reforges so you can get act4 reforge instead to match act4 damage to act7, if you want a overkill act7, well, get act7 reforge.

Accessories
Nostalgic theatrical 10/10 (str/dex) Purple hearts (Equivalent to oblivion fierce accessories)
Nostalgic theatrical regular accessories (equivalent to oblivion avenger accessories)
Reforge: I recommend purple hearts over regular accessories, even r1 since a 10 str/dex accessory can match oblivion fierce. If anyone actually bothers to reforge either get puppet max or acts damage, remember, same type reforges don't stack, only the highest takes effect.

Head
Nostalgic Dexterity
Reforges : I recommend shieldless charge as it gives you mobility for charged crisis and that radius reforges are absolute trash.

Corpse
Encore Champion
Reforge : Waste of money, if anyone wants to anyway theres only puppet max

Gloves
Burlesque Difficult[r4]
Reforge : Another waste of money, Control marionette linked max is the only good option

Shoes
Nostalgic Butterfly(???)
Note: Butterfly might not be the best option, up to the user choices
Reforge : More money wasting, i recommend using either charge distance or dropkick damage if the user is fighter hybrid as well

Falias treasures
+60 dex
+60 str
Can't remember their names atm

Support skills/skillsets/weapons (assuming melee/range is fully capped)
Fighter + wtv knuckles you want
Bard with singing, lullaby and overture
Kenero wrote on 2014-01-27 19:44

Quote from Yuuki Asuna;1192169:
I would say that for close calls such as those, one could list several options as opposed to "super perfect impossible shit for no-lifes". Options are far more useful to those consulting this guide than opinions will ever be.

Options is what this is to show.

Especially since there is different options between magic and alchemy that may be chased after.

Also in regards to Melee/Range/Guns Master Set...

The ultimately accessory for it would be the Fierce Ribbon.

While it is a question if it is easily obtainable or not but rather is it trade-able and if it is -possible- to obtain one.
Kenero wrote on 2014-01-27 20:03

Now guys, I want you to realize for those who read.

It is not shameful to go with High Tier or Mid Tier as opposed to Master Tier.

Master Tier is the golden apple, something meant to be realistically unobtainable without great sacrifices and tears. It is the eden of equipments, and if you happen to get a piece of it, yay, if not, oh well.

Master Tier is just to show what the limits of possibility is, but High Tier is to show the realistic equipment.

Though Master and High Tier may share similar equipment:

I.E. Demonic Handle Bars will be both high and master, but master demands perfect artisan, Lv.6 S/R, and lv.20 or the max reforge possible with enchants, whereas High will just say lv.5 S/R is good, and even lv.16 like Climactic Damage Magnification is OK to keep.

When making Master, make it the Eden, whereas when writing for High Tier, make it realistic.
Kyubey wrote on 2014-01-27 20:09

master is all about what you do with the gear you have, not the rolls on your gear.
Kenero wrote on 2014-01-27 20:25

Quote from Kyubey;1192180:
master is all about what you do with the gear you have, not the rolls on your gear.

Philosophical, yes.

Practical? No. For Master, it has to be max everything or else it won't be a Master Set.

Leave the "the roll can be anything as long as you have the enchant/reforge" for the High Tier, which frankly, is the more realistic one.
Kyubey wrote on 2014-01-27 20:31

Quote from Kenero;1192186:
Philosophical, yes.

Practical? No. For Master, it has to be max everything or else it won't be a Master Set.

Leave the "the roll can be anything as long as you have the enchant/reforge" for the High Tier, which frankly, is the more realistic one.

You're free to edit when you write it on the OP, i wrote the list from my mind don't expect anyone to keep reforge rolls memorized.
wildk wrote on 2014-01-27 20:32

I'm guessing ranking is based on max damage?

Just asking cause there's a lot to go for in alchemy

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