Meaningful Ranged/Puppetry/Gunner Reforges

• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2014-01-31 23:49

  Quote from Howhurl;1193556:

  I'm not sure how effective crisis range reforge is (never did the math) but with NPC tail round i can usually pull in except 1 or 2 left out (level 17..or 18, I forget) with master title.
  
  Crash shot range reforge is really OP I think. Super rare though.
  
  For puppets, since act 7 already fucks shit up, gaining the dmg reforge is really necessary unless you're always running harder content. Personally I liked act 6 and act 4 damage reforge; it really boosts your overall "practical" dmg (act 7 gets interrupted quite often in my experience).

  
  
  I only care to run Lord shit nowadays which is exactly why an elemental reforge would be useless :<
  
  And for the crisis range, you could just have two people wire pull to have the same utility as spending 200+ usd...
• Kyubey wrote on 2014-01-31 23:50

  Quote from Howhurl;1193556:

  For puppets, since act 7 already fucks shit up, gaining the dmg reforge is really necessary unless you're always running harder content. Personally I liked act 6 and act 4 damage reforge; it really boosts your overall "practical" dmg (act 7 gets interrupted quite often in my experience).

  
  
  That's why i have 2 handles, one with act4 lv 10 and a act7 lv 17.
  I only use the act7 one on npc and elites+, everything below dies with a simple crisis > act4 with my act4 handle. I should probably get the act4 handle to r1 but fuck wasting more money on efficientnogi, i'm done with that.
  
  As for crisis title, don't even get me started...
• k1nsoo wrote on 2014-02-01 00:45
  Ah. My favorite topics to talk about.
  
  Currently I'm doing Lance/Gunner but I'm planning to switch to Archer/Gunner or Puppet/Gunner when I get higher.
  
  Since you mentioned all three classes, here are my opinions for each talent combos:
  
  Archer/Gunner
  
  Pros: Super AoE skills.
  
  You can infinitely spam Crashshot-Shooting Rush combos (they both have 5 sec CD).
  Both strong in 1v1 and 1vE
  
  
  Cons: Extremely demanding stats (str+dex+int), aggro control, needs A LOT of AOE pets.
  *You will need at least 3+ ice dragons/scooters to spam CS-SR combo
  
  
  Puppet/Gunner
  
  Pros: Also super AoE skills. Crisis-Rising Action-Shooting Rush/Bullet storm would pretty much clear any waves
  
  Cons: Also demanding stats (str+dex+int), needs to calculate cooldown, huge dependency in Crisis
  
  
  
  I personally think Puppet/Gunner is extremely hard to execute,
  
  not only each puppet skills have huge cooldown,
  
  but also need to keep track of mobs' downgauge as well.
  
  Using shooting rush/bulletstorm right after Crisis will get really ugly...
  
  
  
  *WotG duration vs. WotG attack speed
  
  I will definitely prefer WotG duration over attack speed,
  
  but WotG attack speed is also good IF you are using non-attackspeed Taunes.
  
  Now what I mean by non-attackspeed taunes is that people who enchanted [Officer's/Crocodile]
  
  and don't have attackspeed sets to proc.
  
  You will need lvl15+ wotg attack speed to make taunes = dowra speed.
  
  
  (Before/After activating WotG)
  
  Taunes = Zeder
  Attack speed Taunes = Dowra
  Dowra = Attack speed Dowra;
  Attack speed Dowra = Attack speed Dowra.
  
  Attack speed Dowra itself is the capped attack speed.
  
  Taunes w/WotG lvl15+ speed = Dowra.
  
  Useless if you are using Automatic/Viscount(hawk)
  
  
  
  Reforges.
  
  Archer/Gunner:
  
  -Crash shot fragment range (hat)
  -Crash shot fragment numbers (clothes)
  -Crash shot damage (gloves)
  -Shooting rush damage (boots)
  
  
  Keep in mind that shooting rush damage reforges are EXTREMELY RARE to get.
  
  Actually, it's common to see ~lvl12 shooting rush damage, but super rare to see anything above lvl15.
  
  I would say getting ele in rank1 weapons are easier than
  
  getting lvl15+ shooting rush damage. You have been warned!
  
  
  I wouldn't switch CS gloves to MS gloves-- your dps relies heavily on CS/SR and
  
  you rarely get hit by mobs if you have quite a few number of AOE pets.
  
  Gunner/Puppet:
  
  -WotG duration/Crisis Range (hat)
  -?????? (clothes)
  -Manashield (gloves)
  -Shooting rush damage (boots)
  
  Someone said Crisis radius reforge is useless.
  
  I respect that-- but remember, if you are going to use puppet/guns, you are going to rely heavily in crisis.
  
  When I used to play in KR, puppeteers w/o Crisis reforge hat are not even considered to be "puppeteers"...
  especially in Lords/NPCs... server difference i guess...
  
  
  WotG duration reforge is definitely noticeable-- it increases 10seconds in lvl20.
  
  10 seconds is a lot of DPS -- you are basically going to deal additional
  
  12480% gun damage (312% * 40 hits).
  
  With this you can finish off Kristell/Price/Tarlach in 40seconds.
  
  I wouldn't reroll your hat for crisis radius/WotG duration reforges,
  
  but what I will do is buy few r1 Hats and roll if I can get lucky with it.
  
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  Hope this helps !
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2014-02-01 01:19

  Quote from k1nsoo;1193583:

  Hope this helps !

  
  
  Thank you! I think for now I'll try and get a WotG duration hat and shooting rush duration. Everything else seems to costly lol
• Friggerton wrote on 2014-02-01 05:41
  Aww... I was hoping to grind out all kinds of life skills to have comparable dex to you so we could do archery together :p
  
  I'll probably end up doing alchemy and puppets though... power AoE with moderate power AoE/aggro control to fill in the puppetry cool down pauses. Also I feel like my Professor J outfit would look odd with a bow when I eventually start using it. I'll keep a few bows around for rafting for gold ^^
  
  /non contributing tangent talking to in game friend.
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2014-02-03 20:57
  So I managed to get Shooting Rush Damage Level 6 and Shooting Rush Attack Range Level 16. Should I keep this or reroll...?
  
  

  Quote from Friggerton;1193628:

  Aww... I was hoping to grind out all kinds of life skills to have comparable dex to you so we could do archery together :p
  
  I'll probably end up doing alchemy and puppets though... power AoE with moderate power AoE/aggro control to fill in the puppetry cool down pauses. Also I feel like my Professor J outfit would look odd with a bow when I eventually start using it. I'll keep a few bows around for rafting for gold ^^
  
  /non contributing tangent talking to in game friend.

  
  
  Maybe I'll stick with ranged if I catch a break on reforging my bows for once (effective range would help a lot as the server has been lagging for a couple months now...).
• k1nsoo wrote on 2014-02-03 21:10
  Meh, I would reroll because SR range w/o reforge is pretty wide. But considering how hard it is to get SR damage tho, I guess I would keep.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-02-04 06:58
  Coming from a 100% end game gunner and end game puppeteer. I will tell you this.
  Crisis reforge is highly debatable, sure it's useful, but is it worth the extra money? Not to me personally, my hat has a WotG speed reforge for my officer croc taunes that has level 7? Dual gun max (incredibly rare, spent >50 reforges)
  
  Handles come with act 7 reforge, my most used weapon in the game.
  
  Boots come with min charge level 3 (utility)
  
  Gloves come with MS and marionette linked damage.
  
  
  Even with >800+ gunner max, end game gunner is... Glaringly weak to end game puppets.
  
  
  Just personal opinions.
• Xeno wrote on 2014-02-04 14:52
  If you're doing range reforge, frag lv 5 on chest and frag distance lv20 paired with frag damage lv20 to gloves is a deadly combination, but you need all three to see the benefit so it is expensive. I'd say it's worth it to make a separate r1 bohe glove with level 20 mag damage as well for situations in which you want to mag spam. As for puppetry reforges, I have one thing to say: Act 7 level 20 = gg to all enemies (lords, peaca, etc).
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2014-02-04 14:57

  Quote from Xeno;1194529:

  If you're doing range reforge, frag lv 5 on chest and frag distance lv20 paired with frag damage lv20 to gloves is a deadly combination, but you need all three to see the benefit so it is expensive. I'd say it's worth it to make a separate r1 bohe glove with level 20 mag damage as well for situations in which you want to mag spam. As for puppetry reforges, I have one thing to say: Act 7 level 20 = gg to all enemies (lords, peaca, etc).

  
  
  I have level 19 mag tengus but I never use them in Lord cause I die in one hit LOL. [S]Then again, I probably shouldn't run things potless zzzz...[/S]
  
  For now, I'm just going to focus on getting r6 bars and reforge those since they have applicability in Lord. Range is just too costly so I'll just try and rank up my bohemian slowly. First I'll do the hat to r1 then the wear and finally once the other two crash shot reforges are in place, go for fragments on my glove[S] if I don't quit by then.[/S]
• wilson10000 wrote on 2014-02-04 15:24
  Coming from a pretty much 100% end game gunner and end game puppeteer myself. I think crisis reforge is one of the best hat reforges. WoTG speed reforge is really only viable if you use taunes, duration is better most of the time. Crash shot range is good only if you plan to also get crash shot gloves and fragment.
  
  Stand alone hat reforge crisis or WotG duration is best imo.
  
  I have over +1k gunner max that uses dowra se(just overture no bone chip), normal shooting with speed set is quite amazing. Not weak by any means. Puppets are great too, but suffer from 20 sec cool downs. That's where a strong primary like gunner or range comes into play
  
  And also both gunner and puppetry do not suffer from ele immune monsters
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2014-02-04 15:43

  Quote from wilson10000;1194533:

  Coming from a pretty much 100% end game gunner and end game puppeteer myself. I think crisis reforge is one of the best hat reforges. WoTG speed reforge is really only viable if you use taunes, duration is better most of the time. Crash shot range is good only if you plan to also get crash shot gloves and fragment.
  
  Stand alone hat reforge crisis or WotG duration is best imo.
  
  I have over +1k gunner max that uses dowra se(just overture no bone chip), normal shooting with speed set is quite amazing. Not weak by any means. Puppets are great too, but suffer from 20 sec cool downs. That's where a strong primary like gunner or range comes into play
  
  And also both gunner and puppetry do not suffer from ele immune monsters

  
  
  That last point is why I want to ditch range lol and I think that I'll just buy a hat and aim for either of those two reforges. [S]inb4igetbothjkmylucksucks[/S]
  
  Thank you all for the advice!
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2014-02-06 15:22
  Small update.
  
  Bought another pair of shoes, got three lines and then received the shooting rush attack width reforge... Is this worth keeping? Haven't tested it yet as I had to sleep lol.
• Friggerton wrote on 2014-02-06 16:14

  Quote from Yuuki Asuna;1195355:

  Small update.
  
  Bought another pair of shoes, got three lines and then received the shooting rush attack width reforge... Is this worth keeping? Haven't tested it yet as I had to sleep lol.

  
  
  If the wiki is correct that it only increases the distance by 5/level, I would say no. "Attack distance" is how far out the skill AoE is, I presume, and is 10/level (per the wiki) and seems like it would be more useful. "Shooting rush damage" on footwear says it's +4 dam/level, which would probably be quite potent (replaces grinding out more str/int.)
  
  There don't seem to be any meaningful reforges for puppetry on footwear.
• wilson10000 wrote on 2014-02-06 19:19

  Quote from Yuuki Asuna;1195355:

  Small update.
  
  Bought another pair of shoes, got three lines and then received the shooting rush attack width reforge... Is this worth keeping? Haven't tested it yet as I had to sleep lol.

  
  
  Assume you got level 15, that's 75 distance width. Imo that increase isn't a lot.
  Shooting rush damage per level adds 4% per level, so if you have level 10 that's 40% damage or (400% + 40%) = 440% with rank 1 shooting rush. Essentially 10% damage increase, which is good.