Colin Plate Helmet Question

• Taizo wrote on 2014-02-04 02:03
  I'm trying to collect a colin plate set for my giant but am a little confused on how to get the helmet based on the wiki.
  According to the Colin Plate helmet page on the wiki (Link) you can get it the helmet from glutton monkies by giving them Loved Foods. However, checking the Hot Springs Page (Link) the helmet is nowhere to be found on any of the rewards list.
  
  I've given them several hundred "loved foods" over about a year or so and have gotten next to everything on that list, but no Colin Helmet.
  Can anyone confirm that it can be obtained from this method? is there a trick to it I'm missing.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-04 02:42
  You can just wait for the auction. No one goes for it anyways.
  
  I don't know why you'd be trying to make a colin plate set, but I can tell you it's a waste of time. Go get a thames set instead.
• Taizo wrote on 2014-02-04 03:50

  Quote from ironwoman;1194394:

  You can just wait for the auction. No one goes for it anyways.

  
  I went to the auction for it today and there were several other people after it and t went for 2.2 mil
  
  and I prefer the colin set to the thames set, for its looks and set bonuses. Kinda need that stam reduction as I use around 150% of my max stam per fight on avarage.
• arochia246 wrote on 2014-02-04 04:24
  Generally, the solution to using too much stamina is to obtain more stamina. With that said, if you really want the Colin Plate Helmet, auction is your best option. Either that or find someone unaware of market prices to obtain it from them.
  
  I prefer Thames though, especially for giants.
• Blassreiter wrote on 2014-02-04 04:38
  Colin Plate Set is one of the few thing Giants can get Explosion Resistance with so it isn't a total waste of time. This is useful for Peaca Abyss and the likes.
• Taizo wrote on 2014-02-04 04:43

  Quote from arochia246;1194425:

  Generally, the solution to using too much stamina is to obtain more stamina. With that said, if you really want the Colin Plate Helmet, auction is your best option. Either that or find someone unaware of market prices to obtain it from them.
  
  I prefer Thames though, especially for giants.

  
  
  Yeah, I'm just not sure how to get more stamina since I've already capped production. I know some skills in the next update give some really good stamina, so I guess I can wait for those.
  
  I'm not saying that I'm against doing the auctions, I'm just saying that a lot of people go to those and it makes it hard to get. I'll definitely get it from the auction if I can actaully win the auction somehow. I'm just trying to find out if you actually can get it from the hot springs or not, since the wiki is unclear.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-04 05:22

  Quote from Blassreiter;1194430:

  Colin Plate Set is one of the few thing Giants can get Explosion Resistance with so it isn't a total waste of time. This is useful for Peaca Abyss and the likes.

  
  
  That bonus still isn't as useful as smash effect. In the current meta where the center focus is damage, explosion resistance doesn't have a significant place. When thames didn't exist, colin used to be the way to go. Now it's not. It'll most likely stay that way for a long time.
  
  

  Quote from Taizo;1194434:

  Yeah, I'm just not sure how to get more stamina since I've already capped production. I know some skills in the next update give some really good stamina, so I guess I can wait for those.
  
  I'm not saying that I'm against doing the auctions, I'm just saying that a lot of people go to those and it makes it hard to get. I'll definitely get it from the auction if I can actaully win the auction somehow. I'm just trying to find out if you actually can get it from the hot springs or not, since the wiki is unclear.

  
  
  I don't even have stam skills ranked up, and I don't have problem running missions.
  Generally, thames set's smash bonus will help you clear things better.
  If you want stam reduction, you can also get dustin helmet. Chance is, you'll find one pre-enchanted too.
• Taizo wrote on 2014-02-04 12:22

  Quote from ironwoman;1194446:

  That bonus still isn't as useful as smash effect. In the current meta where the center focus is damage, explosion resistance doesn't have a significant place. When thames didn't exist, colin used to be the way to go. Now it's not. It'll most likely stay that way for a long time.
  
  
  
  I don't even have stam skills ranked up, and I don't have problem running missions.
  Generally, thames set's smash bonus will help you clear things better.
  If you want stam reduction, you can also get dustin helmet. Chance is, you'll find one pre-enchanted too.

  
  
  I understand this, but I care more about my personal preferences than the metagame. If you must know, I hybrid lance and fighter which eats up an absurd amount of stamina, and I feel like a colin could help that whether I gain more stamina or not.
  
  But regardless of whether or not you agree with my play-style or not that discussion is off-topic, I just want to find out if anyone knows if the monkeys can give you the helmet.
• Azuresereph wrote on 2014-02-04 12:51

  Quote from Taizo;1194515:

  I understand this, but I care more about my personal preferences than the metagame. If you must know, I hybrid lance and fighter which eats up an absurd amount of stamina, and I feel like a colin could help that whether I gain more stamina or not.
  
  But regardless of whether or not you agree with my play-style or not that discussion is off-topic, I just want to find out if anyone knows if the monkeys can give you the helmet.

  
  
  I think the hotspring renewal got rid of it as a reward if it's of any dire need I can get on and check my gaint alt for you I remember having a spare helm that I can just toss your way for free if you want. When I get home from school that is. (Don't any of you judge me!)
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-04 22:11

  Quote from Taizo;1194515:

  I understand this, but I care more about my personal preferences than the metagame. If you must know, I hybrid lance and fighter which eats up an absurd amount of stamina, and I feel like a colin could help that whether I gain more stamina or not.
  
  But regardless of whether or not you agree with my play-style or not that discussion is off-topic, I just want to find out if anyone knows if the monkeys can give you the helmet.

  
  
  I can tell you my hybridization (melee, range, puppet, and now bard) eats up much more stam than yours, but I never really had stam issues.
  That being said, stam reduction will only help you for a short time.
  
  I can't really stop you from making the decision, but what I want you to consider is this: do you want an effect that will help you slightly right now or an effect that will help you much more later on? Your choice. I'd think that the latter would be a better option, that's how Mabinogi usually works out.
  If you still do want the stam reduction, I said this before, but Dustin helmet is also an option. More of them are in market, not expensive, and probably pre-enchanted too. And looks better in my eyes.
• Taizo wrote on 2014-02-04 22:58

  Quote from Azuresereph;1194519:

  I think the hotspring renewal got rid of it as a reward if it's of any dire need I can get on and check my gaint alt for you I remember having a spare helm that I can just toss your way for free if you want. When I get home from school that is. (Don't any of you judge me!)

  
  If you're serious about that, mail to 'Freemon' thanks for being on-topic
  
  
  @ironwoman You gotta tell me where you get all your stamina from then, I have around 250 stam after capping production and have to guzzle potions because I use around 400 stamina per wave.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-04 23:15

  Quote from Taizo;1194686:

  If you're serious about that, mail to 'Freemon' thanks for being on-topic
  
  
  @ironwoman You gotta tell me where you get all your stamina from then, I have around 250 stam after capping production and have to guzzle potions because I use around 400 stamina per wave.

  
  
  It's all spread out on numbers of skills. Obviously, production mastery isn't the only thing that gives stam.
  If you think you're done with stamina because you're done with production mastery, there's your problem. Also, wiki has a list of skills that contributes to each stat, so you can look into that as well. In general, as you rank skills, you'll gain stamina fairly quickly, and it won't be an issue.
  
  Another reason why I recommend thames set over colin set is because damage set will actually help you indirectly use less stamina. If you're able to one-shot smash or windmill, you really shouldn't need to use too much stam as you'll need to use your skills less frequently.
  
  If you're using 400 stam per wave, you've got issues. Either your damage is way too low or you're exaggerating. Even assuming all your fighter skills and most used melee skills are rank 1, assuming you use chains 1 to 3 twice and smash and windmill, that's only 100 stamina consumed. I'd assume you can clear wave with this amount of skills used, or if you're actually using 400 stam, you're doing way too low damage. Damage booster is more in need than stamina reduction in that case.
• Taizo wrote on 2014-02-04 23:21

  Quote from ironwoman;1194696:

  It's all spread out on numbers of skills. Obviously, production mastery isn't the only thing that gives stam.
  If you think you're done with stamina because you're done with production mastery, there's your problem. Also, wiki has a list of skills that contributes to each stat, so you can look into that as well. In general, as you rank skills, you'll gain stamina fairly quickly, and it won't be an issue.
  
  Another reason why I recommend thames set over colin set is because damage set will actually help you indirectly use less stamina. If you're able to one-shot smash or windmill, you really shouldn't need to use too much stam as you'll need to use your skills less frequently.

  
  
  Really? I had no idea the thames set boosted windmill too I thought it was just smash and assault smash. (Seriously, does it? i'm not trying to be sarcastic if it doesn't I would just love a windmill boost.)
  
  and I know theres other skills that boost stam but I cant find any good ones that aren't super grindy life skills
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-04 23:26

  Quote from Taizo;1194703:

  Really? I had no idea the thames set boosted windmill too I thought it was just smash and assault smash. (Seriously, does it? i'm not trying to be sarcastic if it doesn't I would just love a windmill boost.)
  
  and I know theres other skills that boost stam but I cant find any good ones that aren't super grindy life skills

  
  
  It doesn't. I'm just stating windmill since that would be one of the most commonly used skills for any melee user.
  By damage set, I mean not just smash enhancement, but also superior enchants. I'm just giving you a hint on how to build gear. In general, more damage oriented gear will out class other effects. Right now, smash bonus and magnum shot bonus is overshadowing other effects that used to be popular, such as explostion resistance. Att. speed made slight comeback thanks to introduction of guns.
  
  As for easy stam, there's stomp, bard skills, carpentry talent. And sadly, you will have to rank life skills, so don't be avoiding them because they're "super grindy". There are many other skills that are about as grindy and they're not life skills.
• Taizo wrote on 2014-02-04 23:35

  Quote from ironwoman;1194706:

  It doesn't. I'm just stating windmill since that would be one of the most commonly used skills for any melee user.
  By damage set, I mean not just smash enhancement, but also superior enchants. I'm just giving you a hint on how to build gear. In general, more damage oriented gear will out class other effects. Right now, smash bonus and magnum shot bonus is overshadowing other effects that used to be popular, such as explostion resistance. Att. speed made slight comeback thanks to introduction of guns.
  
  As for easy stam, there's stomp, bard skills, carpentry talent. And sadly, you will have to rank life skills, so don't be avoiding them because they're "super grindy". There are many other skills that are about as grindy and they're not life skills.

  
  
  I figured, well theres a couple of skills coming with master chef that give about 80 stam each so I'll definitely use those. and what's this about enchants? Can colin not recieve the same enchantments as thames? The main reasons I prefer Colin to thames is that the thames armor's equipment bonuses are random which for me usually makes it impossible to get a good roll (RNGs hate me I swear) plus Colin also has the advantage of auto-defense.