Lance Combat vs. Sword and Shield Combat

• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-04-24 02:36
  SnS is so fun to use endgame. You tank everything.
  
  Combine it with a caladbolg and it's funny.
• Michurl wrote on 2014-04-25 04:26
  [FONT="Times New Roman"][SIZE="5"]Once you get use to lance its your #1 preference, I didn't really like the idea of using lance at first but once I got use to it, its all I ever want to use. [/SIZE][/FONT]
• Twin wrote on 2014-04-25 04:43

  Quote from Michurl;1217044:

  [FONT="Times New Roman"][SIZE="5"]Once you get use to lance its your #1 preference, I didn't really like the idea of using lance at first but once I got use to it, its all I ever want to use. [/SIZE][/FONT]

  
  
  To slow for my taste tbh x_X
• Cyrene wrote on 2014-04-25 14:28
  I would pick a lance over a shield any day. I see sword and board as something thats overdone, I've also never really enjoyed playing the warrior archetype in most games, so that's probably why. Lances are also just really freaking cool looking when you get one finished. Also Support smash is so much easier to pull off imo.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-05-11 21:38

  Quote from justsux;1216747:

  Location: MN or WI, Iron, your just dont know what is to be an "outsider". Try to turn on torrent and go lancing, you'll see what "glitchy" ppl talking about.
  Before lancing (yes I'm all heil to lance now), I were using 2h (red graded HLC, smash 18) with own SS. SS => Smash => Def => SS => Smash => Counter => SS => Smash. Pretty much easy win. Now with lance I cant SS myself, basically cuz of mediocre connection (target is all the way out of hitbox). Yes I still can do it with changing my MTU to 256, but this way my wifi-line become extremely unstable in plan of ping-spikes. So I'm using VPS, and it doesn't care about your MTU as it changes it automatically.

  
  
  Kind of half necro but w/e.
  By the way, I do know what it's like to be an "outsider". If you think I have top-notch connection or something, you can not be any more wrong.
  No MTU set for me, my laptop isn't exactly that up-to-date, and I'm using a shitty college connection. My connection is as mediocre as you can get.
  I can pull off SS+Smash easily even with the given conditions.
  That being said, lance is still a win.
• Migek wrote on 2014-05-12 01:12

  Quote from ironwoman;1219744:

  Kind of half necro but w/e.
  By the way, I do know what it's like to be an "outsider". If you think I have top-notch connection or something, you can not be any more wrong.
  No MTU set for me, my laptop isn't exactly that up-to-date, and I'm using a shitty college connection. My connection is as mediocre as you can get.
  I can pull off SS+Smash easily even with the given conditions.
  That being said, lance is still a win.

  
  ss -> smash was so like 2 yrs ago, its all about lance charge
• RegisAreus wrote on 2014-05-12 05:43
  If elves could use lance, I wouldn't mind doing str life skills and etc. But that will only be a dream QQ and my favorite talent title is striker.
• alwmiioktm wrote on 2014-05-13 04:13
  Lance Charge is one of my favorite melee skills, if not for that I'd take dual wield as far as looks and animations are concerned. I also like the smash animation for 2 handed swords on humans and giants. Lances are still my fave weapon. It's satisfying to crit on everything and take down a line of enemies with the linear aoe on lance charge.
• bongo17 wrote on 2014-05-13 17:48
  I just throw on the Krutta broadsword for elite shadow missions and anything more difficult I'll switch to a lance. Krutta with lvl 20 smash is super easy to get and then you get to look cool while smashing while still being able to one shot crit pretty much anything in elite shadow missions cept that stupid shadow warrior in conflict.
• Hitelite wrote on 2014-05-13 18:28
  In terms of damage, lances come out on top, but in terms of survivability, sword (preferably an axe) and shield come out on top.
  
  The shield mastery and the shield itself give good defense (auto defense stats and all). With the shield mastery at rank 1, you recieve good magic def and proc as well. Whereas, lances take away def and proc, giving penetration instead.
  
  Although lancers lack the extra def, prot, m def, m prot, they have devastating damage. With rank 9 penetration (which is pretty easy to achieve on a Knight Lance) you can ignore up to 80% def and 45 protection. Not to mention, lances have around 40% crit. That sounds pretty insane to me.
  
  The thing is, most people think about Knight Lances as Glory Swords (they have around the same attack dmg and crit) but you forget about the penetration. Penetration is HUGE in contributing to your damage, especially when elite and lord shadow mission monsters have such high def and proc, you can pretty much always maintain your 30% max crit and deal tons of damage.
  
  It's true that Lancers lack 2 def skills (defense and counter) but they have lance counter which is awesome by itself. The cast time is short so if you have good reaction skills (assuming you don't "Lance Lag") it'll save your life. You can windmill and use that as a backup "defense" as well.
  
  Also, that lance charge is an OP version of charge. Who needs charge when you can lance charge through MULTIPLE enemies? :]
  
  (ps.. don't forget the extra dmg % on smash for Two-handed weapons COUGHlancesCOUGH
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-05-13 18:35

  Quote from Hitelite;1220014:

  In terms of damage, lances come out on top, but in terms of survivability, sword (preferably an axe) and shield come out on top.
  
  The shield mastery and the shield itself give good defense (auto defense stats and all). With the shield mastery at rank 1, you recieve good magic def and proc as well. Whereas, lances itself takes away def and proc while giving penetration.
  
  Although lancers lack the extra def, prot, m def, m prot, they have devastating damage. With rank 9 penetration (which is pretty easy to achieve on a Knight Lance) you can ignore up to 80% def and 45 protection. Not to mention, lances have around 40% crit. That sounds pretty insane to me.
  
  The thing is, most people think about Knight Lances as Glory Swords (they have around the same attack dmg and crit) but you forget about the penetration. Penetration is HUGE in contributing to your damage, especially when elite and lord shadow mission monsters have such high def and proc, you can pretty much always maintain your 30% max crit and deal tons of damage.
  
  It's true that Lancers lack 2 def skills (defense and counter) but they have lance counter which is awesome by itself. The cast time is short so if you have good reaction skills (assuming you don't "Lance Lag") it'll save your life. You can windmill and use that as a backup "defense" as well.
  
  Also, that lance charge is an OP version of charge. Who needs charge when you can lance charge through MULTIPLE enemies? :]

  
  
  The original prompt was which you would rather use of both could one shot things. I would still choose lance, solely because of lance charge.
  Also... don't assume it's easy to achieve piercing level 9 on a Knight Lance. Are you one of the few individuals who have gotten hand on Cartel and put it on Knight Lance? I don't think so, and as one of those few people that do, I would say it's not "pretty easy".
• Hitelite wrote on 2014-05-13 18:47

  Quote from ironwoman;1220017:

  The original prompt was which you would rather use of both could one shot things. I would still choose lance, solely because of lance charge.
  Also... don't assume it's easy to achieve piercing level 9 on a Knight Lance. Are you one of the few individuals who have gotten hand on Cartel and put it on Knight Lance? I don't think so, and as one of those few people that do, I would say it's not "pretty easy".

  
  
  Wahh it's like you like to attack what everyone says D:
  Everything I always say is always based on what my friends tell me so calm calm +_+
  I guess they just had awfully good luck? The enchanting process doesn't really need to be done by yourself though, no? You can ask someone to enchant it for you, and gathering the A-5 enchants can be done with research and spamming, is how I took it :/
  
  And the original prompt wasn't which you would rather use to one shot things at all =__=;;
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-05-13 18:52

  Quote from Hitelite;1220023:

  Wahh it's like you like to attack what everyone says D:
  Everything I always say is always based on what my friends tell me so calm calm +_+
  I guess they just had awfully good luck? The enchanting process doesn't really need to be done by yourself though, no? You can ask someone to enchant it for you, and gathering the A-5 enchants can be done with research and spamming, is how I took it :/

  
  
  It's more because of rarity of Cartel penchant and its awful drop rate. Theoretically, getting 9piercing on a Knight Lance is easy, but try running Lord missions yourself and see if rng gods favor you. Then you'll see it's not truly easy. When I say few, I mean really, really few.
• Hitelite wrote on 2014-05-13 18:58

  Quote from ironwoman;1220026:

  It's more because of rarity of Cartel penchant and its awful drop rate. Theoretically, getting 9piercing on a Knight Lance is easy, but try running Lord missions yourself and see if rng gods favor you. Then you'll see it's not truly easy. When I say few, I mean really, really few.

  
  
  True, I don't know much about drop rates, but I know that even getting a tricolored robe was pretty much impossible (even after defeating around 600 black dire wolves, not a SINGLE one..)
  
  But regardless, crit rates, lance charge, and lance counter would definitely put lancers above shield+sword in terms of dmg, I think xD
  I mean even penetration 4 helps a lot