Lorraine's Strange Dreams

• Qnjo wrote on 2014-05-24 10:53
  Also, Tarlach can learn counter easily by fighting imps, so I wouldn't ignore them.
• Froglord of DESTINY!!! wrote on 2014-05-24 11:04
  Cloakers are a bitch, their lightning spam occurs all at once, and they literally wait until every single cloaker finishes casting to spam it on you.
• truefire wrote on 2014-05-24 13:16

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1221756:

  Disagree 100%. All it takes is a single LB to fuck up your magic and get you a hammer to the face.

  
  
  Disagree 100%. Since Imps spawn right by the orb and you should already be moving onto the next orb, I'd have to ask you why the hell you're trying to cast firebolt near them in the first place. Even if you get three dud orbs before the boss spawns, you only need one corner without Imps in it to clear with 0 difficulty. Whether the Imps spawn or not, there's something wrong with what you're doing if you're getting a hammer to the face.
  
  @Qnjo: You don't need counter. The Ogres shouldn't be alive long enough to require it. Unless you're just single-charge Firebolt-spamming each Ogre instead of leading in with a 5-stack. But why on earth would you do that? Ignore them.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2014-05-24 21:50

  Quote from truefire;1221790:

  Disagree 100%. Since Imps spawn right by the orb and you should already be moving onto the next orb, I'd have to ask you why the hell you're trying to cast firebolt near them in the first place. Even if you get three dud orbs before the boss spawns, you only need one corner without Imps in it to clear with 0 difficulty. Whether the Imps spawn or not, there's something wrong with what you're doing if you're getting a hammer to the face.
  

  
  
  I don't know about you, but in mine the ogres always spawn in the center, and then the clone starts fighting them so they may end up in any of the four corners, the AI isn't smart enough to say "Knock the ogres away from the imps!". So unless you're relying on server lag to make it so they can't move, no, you can't just magically pull all the ogres away from the imps and not get bothered by them. Not to mention the fact that the 5 charge firebolt rarely if ever one shots them (Maybe you're luckier than I am, but since the event started FB has only one shot killed a single ogre) so 99% of the time more than a single shot is required which gives plenty of opportunity to get fucked up by an imp.
• truefire wrote on 2014-05-24 22:16

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1221834:

  I don't know about you, but in mine the ogres always spawn in the center, and then the clone starts fighting them so they may end up in any of the four corners, the AI isn't smart enough to say "Knock the ogres away from the imps!". So unless you're relying on server lag to make it so they can't move, no, you can't just magically pull all the ogres away from the imps and not get bothered by them. Not to mention the fact that the 5 charge firebolt rarely if ever one shots them (Maybe you're luckier than I am, but since the event started FB has only one shot killed a single ogre) so 99% of the time more than a single shot is required which gives plenty of opportunity to get fucked up by an imp.

  
  
  The Ogres have yet to get stuck in any of my runs. As soon as I enter the mission, I start 5-charging a Firebolt before hitting the orbs. Imps? I keep moving. More imps? More moving. Once I hit the Ogre orb that's the corner I stick to. The Ogres ALWAYS spawn in the center of the room, and the NPC's overall actions don't matter enough to cause that much displacement that the Ogres end up all over the place, and believe me, they love to chase the NPC around. I usually have the first Ogre dead before the NPC even gets aggro'd. 5-charge Firebolt will either 1-shot crit an Ogre or put it below half health, and if the Ogre did not die, by the time the Ogre is even within Stomp range you should already have at least 3 charges prepped for your next Firebolt, which will either kill the Ogre or make it so that Icebolt or Lightningbolt can finish it off. So long as you hang around your respective orb corner you should not be getting aggro'd before you're ready, and certainly not by Imps.
  
  Dungeon boss rooms are HUGE. And Imps have almost non-existent aggro range. If you had horrible rubber-band lag I could understand, but under a reasonable (not even close to godly) connection you're seriously over-complicating the Tarlach dream by wasting time on Imps.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2014-05-24 22:33

  Quote from truefire;1221835:

  Imps? I keep moving.

  They aggro you before you can get far enough away. Lightning bolt you in the ass.
  
  

  Quote from truefire;1221835:

  More imps? More moving.

  More lightning bolts in the ass.
  
  

  Quote from truefire;1221835:

  Once I hit the Ogre orb that's the corner I stick to. The Ogres ALWAYS spawn in the center of the room, and the NPC's overall actions don't matter enough to cause that much displacement that the Ogres end up all over the place, and believe me, they love to chase the NPC around.

  
  Your NPC must be lazy as fuck, I have never once had a run where the Ogres were anywhere near the place they spawned when they died. Either by chasing the NPC around or by getting knocked around by it's attacks. Usually at LEAST 2 get knocked/run clear to the opposite side of the room from where I am meaning, guess what, you would have to get in range of imps to attack them. Firebolt can't shoot across a boss room.
  
  
  

  Quote from truefire;1221835:

  So long as you hang around your respective orb corner you should not be getting aggro'd before you're ready, and certainly not by Imps.

  
  
  Nearly impossible to stay by "your orb" if the monsters move at all unless you've aggro'd all the ogres and they're charging you.
  
  

  Quote from truefire;1221835:

  you're seriously over-complicating the Tarlach dream by wasting time on Imps.

  
  
  It takes ~5 seconds to kill all the imps without wasting any MP or HP and it insures I don't die. I hardly call smacking something for 5 seconds overcomplicated.
• BecomeMeguca wrote on 2014-05-24 23:30
  Is it just me or does it feel more like a chore than fun? However,it still beats training magic crafting the real way :/
• thunderbro wrote on 2014-05-24 23:35
  Pretty much all dailies end up feeling like a chore.
• truefire wrote on 2014-05-25 00:29

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1221839:

  They aggro you before you can get far enough away.

  
  No, they don't. Has never happened to me. You're moving too slow. And that's considering I've walked out of their aggro range with and without the help of the movement speed potions provided.
  
  

  More lightning bolts in the ass.

  
  Not only are you moving too slow, you're saying you can't take five steps before they charge lightning bolt AND hit you with it? Again, either you're standing around too long or you have a bad connection. Hit the orb, start moving to the next one.
  
  
  

  Your NPC must be lazy as fuck, I have never once had a run where the Ogres were anywhere near the place they spawned when they died. Either by chasing the NPC around or by getting knocked around by it's attacks. Usually at LEAST 2 get knocked/run clear to the opposite side of the room from where I am meaning, guess what, you would have to get in range of imps to attack them. Firebolt can't shoot across a boss room.

  
  
  Well, the NPCs in the missions are already lazy as fuck. I don't see what that has to do with anything. Firebolt can't shoot across a boss room, but it can shoot far outside of Imp range. Are you making your character french kiss the Imps or something? I'm really having trouble seeing why you're having trouble.
  
  
  
  
  

  Nearly impossible to stay by "your orb" if the monsters move at all unless you've aggro'd all the ogres and they're charging you.

  
  
  Step one. Charge near your orb. Step two. Move up close enough to fire. Step three, promptly begin charging again. Step four, reposition yourself while staying out of aggro range. Step 5, keep firing until dead. Step 6. Repeat steps 1-5. The key word is aggro range. How are you breaching it so much? Are you chasing solely after the ones smacking your NPC?
  
  
  
  

  It takes ~5 seconds to kill all the imps without wasting any MP or HP and it insures I don't die. I hardly call smacking something for 5 seconds overcomplicated.

  
  
  It takes two seconds to move out of imp aggro range. It takes five seconds for imps to aggro in the first place. Yes, saying "kill the imps and THEN kill the ogres" when "kill the ogres" is more than sufficient is what I would call overcomplicating things. It's really simple. Ignore the imps, kill the ogres. There's no reason at all the imps should be aggroing you as soon as you spawn them, and even less of a reason for aggroing them after. It's something you're doing that I'm clearly not.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-05-25 00:51
  Well either way, today's run went much better. Skipped the previous two days cause I didn't feel like running it. Only one that gave me trouble today was mari and that's cause I got unlucky with misses *le shrug*
  
  As for Jenna and ranged, I've found that ranged actually does work better especially when the enemies are off chasing the human. There's plenty of space to run to get out of aggro range and snipe them off and I found it much easier to mag fire at claimh solas than to try and smash it >.>
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2014-05-25 00:55

  Quote from truefire;1221853:

  No, they don't. Has never happened to me. You're moving too slow. And that's considering I've walked out of their aggro range with and without the help of the movement speed potions provided.
  
  
  Not only are you moving too slow, you're saying you can't take five steps before they charge lightning bolt AND hit you with it? Again, either you're standing around too long or you have a bad connection. Hit the orb, start moving to the next one.
  
  
  
  
  Well, the NPCs in the missions are already lazy as fuck. I don't see what that has to do with anything. Firebolt can't shoot across a boss room, but it can shoot far outside of Imp range. Are you making your character french kiss the Imps or something? I'm really having trouble seeing why you're having trouble.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Step one. Charge near your orb. Step two. Move up close enough to fire. Step three, promptly begin charging again. Step four, reposition yourself while staying out of aggro range. Step 5, keep firing until dead. Step 6. Repeat steps 1-5. The key word is aggro range. How are you breaching it so much? Are you chasing solely after the ones smacking your NPC?
  
  
  
  
  
  It takes two seconds to move out of imp aggro range. It takes five seconds for imps to aggro in the first place. Yes, saying "kill the imps and THEN kill the ogres" when "kill the ogres" is more than sufficient is what I would call overcomplicating things. It's really simple. Ignore the imps, kill the ogres. There's no reason at all the imps should be aggroing you as soon as you spawn them, and even less of a reason for aggroing them after. It's something you're doing that I'm clearly not.

  
  
  Or I could just make the entire thing 100x easier than what you're describing by taking 5 seconds to kill the imps then doing whatever I want.
• truefire wrote on 2014-05-25 01:13

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1221857:

  Or I could just make the entire thing 100x easier than what you're describing by taking 5 seconds to kill the imps then doing whatever I want.

  
  
  100x easier? Your hyperbole is lost on me. Tarlach is by far the easiest, least tedious and (if Mari misses or does not crit on every hit) the fastest of the dreams to complete.
• Drwonderful wrote on 2014-05-25 03:01
  To be honest, I'm having the time of my fantasy life.
  
  I'm having fun in the RPs and I can say after the first three hours, I can breeze through it. Mari is always glitch so the Golem is literally no problem. Tarlarch is my maybe-maybe not rp but I had more successes on killing the ogres (My strategy is to down an speed potion and hightail it when a fully charged fire spell fails) Ruari is always a pleasure to play as and I wish we could use Kutta as a weapon. Jenna's was the only one where I pretty much used every single item in my inventory to survive but the good news? I haven't died since yesterday. Cai is pretty much tied with my favorite of the dreams: You and your clone is back-to-back using martial arts and arm cannon against undead and Uruoborus with a soundtrack that sounds like it came of Dragon Ball? Yeah.
  
  Than Marlowe came about and we have to throw down with the Grim Reaper and, well that was a disappointment. The ghost cloakers were harder to fight.
  
  My only problem? Lag. Lag is the enemy.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2014-05-25 03:33

  Quote from Drwonderful;1221867:

  I wish we could use Kutta as a weapon.

  
  
  We can. http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Krutta_Broad_Sword
• razgan wrote on 2014-05-27 03:40

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  Am I the only one who noticed that if you keep running and avoiding uroboros attacks they eventually stop attacking? They seem to have limited mp. Then melee spam them lol