Giant Weapon Reccomendation

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ThatNerd wrote on 2010-08-28 04:38

I need some weapons recommendations for a rank 1 WM, low dex Giant.

_____ + Vales Shield

_____ + _____ (dual wield)

Thank you :XD:
EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-28 05:03

Two Hander Sword?

Two Maces?
Finnea wrote on 2010-08-28 05:31

Quote from EndlessDreams;139025:
Two Hander Sword?

Two Maces?

This

Two-Handed Sword: Only good for Balance, Either has low damage or low crit. 72 max dmg Usable with under 100 dex. Crit paths are also available max damage 50 with 26 crit. Although crit paths require 100+ dex.

Claymore: High damage/crit possibilities; however, if dex <100, then max is 65 with no crit. With 100+ dex though it would be 85 max dmg 20 crit.

So if dex is >100 Claymore.

Also you could use D-Blades and Dustin Swords

D-Blade: effectively replaces clays. 100 max damage possible along with 13 crit and boasting the higher balance of 60 (There is an alternate path allowing 28 crit in a trade for 5 damage and 5 balance.) Dblade repairs are the cheapest out of all of the 2-handers at 2823 per point at edern.

Dustin Sword: Don't use it. Requires high dex.

Mace: Upgraded maces will have damage cruising in the 60~70 range with fair balance suited for players with 100+ dex. Highest max damage is 78 sacrificing crit* for higher balance. Taking the crit path these maces look similiar to claymores with a low 45 balance with reasonable damage at 70, all just for 28 crit. I would reccomend these with crit enchants. It will be a little easier. This way you'll have 20 base with an extra 10 from will/luck, and that will put these in the running for wm spamming. Oh, and I forgot to look at gems for these, dura gems as well as +4 crit gems.

Hammer: Aren't worth the hassle yet. Superior damage at 86(22 crit) however completely inferior when it comes to balance(0%.) This would be smarter at 270+ dex. Next would be the crit build coming in at 75 max damage and 40 crit, however yet again they are plagued with very low balance. I would use these at 250+ dex

I went a little overboard but it was fun to type out more in depth information for you. Hope you appreciate it, and remember, even thoulg you don't have very good dex a little balance loss won't completely kill you. Generally, make it more than 60% and you're fine.
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-28 09:17

Quote from Finnea;139032:
This

Two-Handed Sword: Only good for Balance, Either has low damage or low crit. 72 max dmg Usable with under 100 dex. Crit paths are also available max damage 50 with 26 crit. Although crit paths require 100+ dex.

Claymore: High damage/crit possibilities; however, if dex <100, then max is 65 with no crit. With 100+ dex though it would be 85 max dmg 20 crit.

So if dex is >100 Claymore.

Also you could use D-Blades and Dustin Swords

D-Blade: effectively replaces clays. 100 max damage possible along with 13 crit and boasting the higher balance of 60 (There is an alternate path allowing 28 crit in a trade for 5 damage and 5 balance.) Dblade repairs are the cheapest out of all of the 2-handers at 2823 per point at edern.

Dustin Sword: Don't use it. Requires high dex.

Mace: Upgraded maces will have damage cruising in the 60~70 range with fair balance suited for players with 100+ dex. Highest max damage is 78 sacrificing crit* for higher balance. Taking the crit path these maces look similiar to claymores with a low 45 balance with reasonable damage at 70, all just for 28 crit. I would reccomend these with crit enchants. It will be a little easier. This way you'll have 20 base with an extra 10 from will/luck, and that will put these in the running for wm spamming. Oh, and I forgot to look at gems for these, dura gems as well as +4 crit gems.

Hammer: Aren't worth the hassle yet. Superior damage at 86(22 crit) however completely inferior when it comes to balance(0%.) This would be smarter at 270+ dex. Next would be the crit build coming in at 75 max damage and 40 crit, however yet again they are plagued with very low balance. I would use these at 250+ dex

I went a little overboard but it was fun to type out more in depth information for you. Hope you appreciate it, and remember, even thoulg you don't have very good dex a little balance loss won't completely kill you. Generally, make it more than 60% and you're fine.

Obtain more dex, get less scrub.
Phanterz wrote on 2010-08-28 14:07

Quote from Kaeporo;139139:
Obtain more dex, get less scrub.

but some people don't want to... :V

Dragonblades: 180 for highest splash/crit, 232 for highest damage (i'd rather have 232)

Mace: 231/215/292/274/256 for moderate crit/damage, 238 for highest max only (and 0 crit)

^They have alot of upgrade choices for maces, I like 274 the best (1-74 attack, 19 crit, 49 balance)
Zid wrote on 2010-08-28 14:15

Technically, you'll be using upgraded Iron Maces far more often before you would ever switch to upgraded Warhammer.

For instant, max dmg upgraded Iron Mace (path 195):

Dmg 17-83
Critical 12%
Balance 33%
Durability 8

You sacrifice 3 max dmg and 10% Critical just for large increase in Balance.

Max crit upgraded Iron Mace (path 195-2):

Dmg 0-76
Critical 20%
Balance 33%
Durability 13

Sacrifice 10 max dmg to build up Critical so that it's only -2% less than upgraded Warhammer, all still with a very generous Balance of 33% and 13 Durability.

Also, if you can't afford the repair rates of Dragon Blades yet (especially at lower success repair rate), you could just use Mace + Shield... or whatever depending on your Balance.
Justified wrote on 2010-08-28 14:16

How low is low-dex?

Personally, I ignore balance for the most part. I use a 222 Claymore, gem upgraded for (13-100, 27crit, 31 balance). It doesn't get me to 80 balance, but I still prefer it over weaker counterparts.
Finnea wrote on 2010-08-28 14:36

Quote from Justified;139198:
How low is low-dex?

Personally, I ignore balance for the most part. I use a 222 Claymore, gem upgraded for (13-100, 27crit, 31 balance). It doesn't get me to 80 balance, but I still prefer it over weaker counterparts.

I agree Justin, but some people are just perfectionists. If they can't have it perfect they don't want it at all. =s
Yanm wrote on 2010-08-28 15:10

You guys forgot to mention the Vales Great Sword. That should be the weapon to use for low-dex giants. The path costs 184 prof, but you end up with 15-89 damage, 8% crit, 9 dur, and 71% balance. You could get a gem upgrade and make that 11 dur or 93 max and 11% crit. As for everything else, it's all been said.
Finnea wrote on 2010-08-28 15:25

Quote from Yanm;139235:
You guys forgot to mention the Vales Great Sword. That should be the weapon to use for low-dex giants. The path costs 184 prof, but you end up with 15-89 damage, 8% crit, 9 dur, and 71% balance. You could get a gem upgrade and make that 11 dur or 93 max and 11% crit. As for everything else, it's all been said.

Yes.. right.. giants have exclusive weapons. /facepalm
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-28 16:01

The usefulness of melee weapons is determined by the following variables.

Average damage: (Max damage x Balance) + (Min damage x Inverted balance)
Weapon speed: Weapon speed is inversely proportional to stun duration. Considering that most melee combat is primarily composed of hard-hitting single-shot skills, you'll want to use very slow or slow weapons. Use Final Hit while wielding fast weapons.
Critical: While windmill ignores protection to determine your critical hit rate, other skills like Down Attack and Smash do not. Damage is preferred over critical when using melee weapons. Ranged weapons greatly value critical.
Splash: Relatively minor by comparison. Useful-ish when using Smash.

As far as balance is concerned, it directly affects your average damage. Compare the following weapons,

1. Damage: 20-70, Balance: 80% 60
2. Damage: 20-80, Balance: 70% 62

In this situation, 10 balance results in higher average damage than 10 maximum damage. Generally, this is not the case. Just get the balance.
Justified wrote on 2010-08-28 16:50

Quote from Kaeporo;139252:
As far as balance is concerned, it directly affects your average damage. Compare the following weapons,

1. Damage: 20-70, Balance: 80% 60
2. Damage: 20-80, Balance: 70% 62

In this situation, 10 balance results in higher average damage than 10 maximum damage. Generally, this is not the case. Just get the balance.

Critical Hits pretty much push balance aside when determining average damage since, iirc, criticals always multiply your maximum damage.

So even with 0% balance on a 0-100 damage range, crits will add 150.

With maximum crit rate, rank 1 crits will make up a little more than half of your average damage (52%). Because of the perfect balance on the crit bonus, this generally makes maximum damage more preferable to minimum damage or balance.
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-28 17:26

That's news to me.

1. Maximum melee and ranged balance is 80%. What you're saying is that critical hits always deal maximum damage?
2. Does this also apply to skill balance? Example: Ice Spear deals 200-300 base damage. Are you saying that critical Ice Spear always deals 1950 base damage? This would be useful for Crash Shot which has several different skill multipliers.
Archibald wrote on 2010-08-28 18:44

Look part of this game is getting a minimum of dex. Yes its a grind and a pain and costly but do yourself a favor now and rank some dex giving skills. Get at least 150 dex for your giant and most of your weapons will work fairly well.

I would definately say get the vales sword gem upgraded since it has the best path until you get the dex.
Archibald wrote on 2010-08-28 18:45

Quote from Archibald;139360:
Look part of this game is getting a minimum of dex. Yes its a grind and a pain and costly but do yourself a favor now and rank some dex giving skills. Get at least 150 dex for your giant and most of your weapons will work fairly well.

I would definately say get the vales sword gem upgraded since it has the best path until you get the dex.

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