[Mabinogi-JP] Regeneration - Ninjutsu Update (Consolidated and Organized)

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-07-21 06:22
  I heard JP had some survey on player opinions for ninja. Anyone know what the majority of the responses are leaning towards?
• Timefall wrote on 2014-07-22 04:09

  Quote from Darkboy132;1233667:

  I heard JP had some survey on player opinions for ninja. Anyone know what the majority of the responses are leaning towards?

  
  
  ------From live Q&A regarding ninja-----------------
  Q: Are the new skills training requirements going to be long-term?
  
  Heisenborg: I think this question is asking does it take a really long time to train these skills. It's a bit tedious but this week we've actually been talking to the devs about potentially reducing the skill training time and cooldown times for some of the skills. Nothing is confirmed at the moment, but there were some complaints from the JP service we're taking into consideration.
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  It seems the results showed that many people in JP, want the ninja skills to be easier to rank, primarily. Personally, I think that's nonsense. Skills weren't meant to be ranked to 1 in a day, or even a month. People are too impatient.
• Hyoheki wrote on 2014-07-22 04:28
  Are there any places I can find the training requirements? I wanted to get a fill for what to expect.
• Timefall wrote on 2014-07-22 05:43
  I've been using JP wiki, which has all relevant data filled in by now.
  
  http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://mabinogi.wikiwiki.jp/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djp%2Bmabi%2Bwiki%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Dcx1%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Dnp
  
  To see ninja skills, click on "Ninja Arts" in the first section of the left-hand column.
  The comments under each rank's training requirements are also helpful, as they've already done math for you, such as minimum hours needed, etc.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-07-22 06:25

  Quote from Timefall;1233828:

  ------From live Q&A regarding ninja-----------------
  Q: Are the new skills training requirements going to be long-term?
  
  Heisenborg: I think this question is asking does it take a really long time to train these skills. It's a bit tedious but this week we've actually been talking to the devs about potentially reducing the skill training time and cooldown times for some of the skills. Nothing is confirmed at the moment, but there were some complaints from the JP service we're taking into consideration.
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  It seems the results showed that many people in JP, want the ninja skills to be easier to rank, primarily. Personally, I think that's nonsense. Skills weren't meant to be ranked to 1 in a day, or even a month. People are too impatient.

  
  
  You want KR skills then? Some of our skills are ranked differently than KR.
• Timefall wrote on 2014-07-22 06:27

  Quote from Aubog007;1233856:

  You want KR skills then? Some of our skills are ranked differently than KR.

  
  
  Ah, I haven't looked into KR skills, but if they're more difficult to rank, the challenge would be welcome. ^_^
• Lunamaniac wrote on 2014-07-22 07:20

  Quote from Timefall;1233828:

  Personally, I think that's nonsense. Skills weren't meant to be ranked to 1 in a day, or even a month. People are too impatient.

  
  
  I agree, it really enhances the experience to use the same skill 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 times per rank.
• Timefall wrote on 2014-07-22 07:36

  Quote from Lunamaniac;1233861:

  I agree, it really enhances the experience to use the same skill 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 times per rank.

  
  
  I guess it depends on how you go about things. I see the game's purpose as being the progress from a weak beginner with nothing, slowly gaining power, until eventually, after much hardship, reaching one's goals.
  
  Others wanna skip to the end, so they spend 3 days camping raccoons, and then complain that they have to spend so much time killing raccoons. -_-
• RegisAreus wrote on 2014-07-22 07:48
  Well I think it should be reduced abit, since it is a beginner skill set. Unless they remove it from the beginner tab. And I doubt new player would be able to use hybrid stats efficiently. Also of how time consuming it takes to rank the skill. But that's just my opinion.
• Timefall wrote on 2014-07-22 07:58

  Quote from RegisAreus;1233866:

  Well I think it should be reduced abit, since it is a beginner skill set. Unless they remove it from the beginner tab. And I doubt new player would be able to use hybrid stats efficiently. Also of how time consuming it takes to rank the skill. But that's just my opinion.

  
  
  Funny thing about that. They addressed that abnormality during Q&A:
  
  Heisenborg: "...its good for new players to start with, but not necessarily a "newbie" talent. But also because newbies want to be the naruto."
  
  
  This was their reasoning.
  
  
  
  Edit: Link to Q&A if anyone is interested, since it pertains to ninja update: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Nexon_Q%26A_11
• RegisAreus wrote on 2014-07-22 08:08
  Lol seriously? XD
• Ryufujibayashi wrote on 2014-07-22 08:31

  Quote from Timefall;1233828:

  ------From live Q&A regarding ninja-----------------
  Q: Are the new skills training requirements going to be long-term?
  
  Heisenborg: I think this question is asking does it take a really long time to train these skills. It's a bit tedious but this week we've actually been talking to the devs about potentially reducing the skill training time and cooldown times for some of the skills. Nothing is confirmed at the moment, but there were some complaints from the JP service we're taking into consideration.
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  It seems the results showed that many people in JP, want the ninja skills to be easier to rank, primarily. Personally, I think that's nonsense. Skills weren't meant to be ranked to 1 in a day, or even a month. People are too impatient.

  
  
  Hmmmm I wonder how reducing the cooldown on some of the skills would effect the skillset? I wonder if they reduce the cooldown on certain/ enough skills in the set, if it would become a self reliant skillset. (If we find it is not self reliant when it releases)
• Lingshen wrote on 2014-07-22 18:22
  It's okay if the cooldowns are lowered enough that it's self reliant but not abusable. There needs to be a middle ground somewhere. With the fact the other skills do allow delaying if used right, even a cooldown of like 7-10 seconds seems fine. Course, the support skills shouldn't have too long of cooldowns either I guess.
  I've felt like Sakura Shigure should have gotten a cooldown based on how high you got the counter. Like a single charge is practically a slightly stronger Windmill, give that like a 20 second cooldown or something. Every extra charge adds another 20 with a total of 300 seconds cooldown at 15 charges.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-07-22 19:04
  I think they should change the overall aspect of Hazy Smokescreen to make players immune to attack when inside it and obviously put some aftereffect that prevents players from benefiting another one, rather than lower defense. It makes a lot more sense and we already have enough defense piercing skills.
  
  Also the targeting mechanics of Charging Shuriken and Shadow Assault should be easier and Shadow Assault should be an AoE and not Single Target. SA feels like more of a Wind Blast, really.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-07-22 19:04
  I think they should change the overall aspect of Hazy Smokescreen to make players immune to attack when inside it and obviously put some aftereffect that prevents players from benefiting another one, rather than lower defense. It makes a lot more sense and we already have enough defense piercing skills.
  
  Also the targeting mechanics of Charging Shuriken and Shadow Assault should be easier and Shadow Assault should be an AoE and not Single Target. SA feels like more of a Wind Blast, really.