(Early) Fantasy Life Mabinogi vs. Anime Mabinogi 08 2014

• EndlessDreams wrote on 2014-08-01 01:38

  Quote from Drizzit;1236307:

  A lot of it may be nostalgia, but Mabinogi certainly does lack the charm that it used to have. I feel that the fantasy life I fell in love with has become rabidly commercialized, although I do welcome the vast amount of content that is available compared to the just running Alby and Ciar all day. I don't car eif content is obsolete, as long as I can find a friend to run something with me, I'll just go along and do it. I don't care about maxing my AP Gains or getting epic damage. I have a love/hate relationship with the new combat system. On the one hand, I do miss the careful skill timing and teamwork that was once required to complete a dungeon, on the other hand; most of it went out the window 80% of the time thanks to lag, and I do get a thrill from Smash>assault>WM>rinse>repeat until everything dies.

  
  
  With each new content, Nexon hopes to bring people back to the game, so there are players to play with.
  
  Careful skill timing and teamwork to clear a dungeon? Like just WM/AR/Magnum spam? This game never had a dungeon that required Careful skill timing and teamwork. It isn't like there is a dungeon that required 4 players to hit 4 switches at the same time or something.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2014-08-01 01:38

  Quote from Drizzit;1236307:

  A lot of it may be nostalgia, but Mabinogi certainly does lack the charm that it used to have. I feel that the fantasy life I fell in love with has become rabidly commercialized, although I do welcome the vast amount of content that is available compared to the just running Alby and Ciar all day. I don't car eif content is obsolete, as long as I can find a friend to run something with me, I'll just go along and do it. I don't care about maxing my AP Gains or getting epic damage. I have a love/hate relationship with the new combat system. On the one hand, I do miss the careful skill timing and teamwork that was once required to complete a dungeon, on the other hand; most of it went out the window 80% of the time thanks to lag, and I do get a thrill from Smash>assault>WM>rinse>repeat until everything dies.

  
  
  With each new content, Nexon hopes to bring people back to the game, so there are players to play with.
  
  Careful skill timing and teamwork to clear a dungeon? Like just WM/AR/Magnum spam? This game never had a dungeon that required Careful skill timing and teamwork. It isn't like there is a dungeon that required 4 players to hit 4 switches at the same time or something.
• Drizzit wrote on 2014-08-01 01:41

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1236311:

  With each new content, Nexon hopes to bring people back to the game, so there are players to play with.
  
  Careful skill timing and teamwork to clear a dungeon? Like just WM/AR/Magnum spam? This game never had a dungeon that required Careful skill timing and teamwork. It isn't like there is a dungeon that required 4 players to hit 4 switches at the same time or something.

  It never had anything like that, but there was a time where hitting the wrong skill at the wrong time could kill you, and WM spam had a huge price. Range was always OP, always will be too.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2014-08-01 01:51

  Quote from Drizzit;1236313:

  It never had anything like that, but there was a time where hitting the wrong skill at the wrong time could kill you, and WM spam had a huge price. Range was always OP, always will be too.

  
  
  If you talking about -10% hp, there was an invincible frame as well. Also, back then, the base HP was much lower, which can be covered by pots much easily. I wouldn't really call it a huge price. If you go further back, bow-WM was even more stronger.
  
  Range is kinda outdated nowadays compared to like Puppetry. Even the Way of the Gun skills gives human/giant to spam normal attack.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2014-08-01 01:51

  Quote from Drizzit;1236313:

  It never had anything like that, but there was a time where hitting the wrong skill at the wrong time could kill you, and WM spam had a huge price. Range was always OP, always will be too.

  
  
  If you talking about -10% hp, there was an invincible frame as well. Also, back then, the base HP was much lower, which can be covered by pots much easily. I wouldn't really call it a huge price. If you go further back, bow-WM was even more stronger.
  
  Range is kinda outdated nowadays compared to like Puppetry. Even the Way of the Gun skills gives human/giant to spam normal attack.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-08-01 02:13

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1236316:

  If you talking about -10% hp, there was an invincible frame as well. Also, back then, the base HP was much lower, which can be covered by pots much easily. I wouldn't really call it a huge price. If you go further back, bow-WM was even more stronger.
  
  Range is kinda outdated nowadays compared to like Puppetry. Even the Way of the Gun skills gives human/giant to spam normal attack.

  
  
  Range isn't as overpowering as it used to be, but it's still nowhere near outdated. I have 2k+ str and dex combined, so why would I not just puppet the whole time? Because range still does more good for me.
  
  Range, even for humans, give great DPS that not many others offer, has great balance of damage and utility. Range also scales very nicely with gear (bhafel combo + reforges) where puppet gets pretty much limited after two reforges. I'm not even at end-game dex, and I still find myself using bow more than puppet.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2014-08-01 04:40

  Quote from ironwoman;1236319:

  Range isn't as overpowering as it used to be, but it's still nowhere near outdated. I have 2k+ str and dex combined, so why would I not just puppet the whole time? Because range still does more good for me.
  
  Range, even for humans, give great DPS that not many others offer, has great balance of damage and utility. Range also scales very nicely with gear (bhafel combo + reforges) where puppet gets pretty much limited after two reforges. I'm not even at end-game dex, and I still find myself using bow more than puppet.

  
  
  Well, you had to mention an end-game bow and reforge to support the damage for Range. All I have to do is just use a puppet handle bar that is non-special upgraded, unenchanted and with no equipments to do the regular accessible stuff. (HM/Elite dungeons)
  
  All I have to do is Crisis -> Climatic Clash, and everything is dead. It barely even use any durability on the Control Bar because it is only two attacks.
  
  How much Crash Shots are you going to take to kill a bunch of monsters? When CS is on cooldown, what am I going to resort to? Magnum spam? AR spam?
  
  Yea, I have 2k+ combined str/dex as well. I have all skills at r1 and capped, and can do any combination of combat to kill stuff. The efficiency (and easy to use) of Puppetry is still really strong.
  
  I rarely see people at the Dragon Raid, and I rarely see the material for sell. Even if I get that Bhafel bow, I will probably never use it because I will be afraid to break it. I don't mind breaking my cheap NPC control bar.
  
  On a side note, Alchemy utility is really good compared to other skill sets.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2014-08-01 04:40

  Quote from ironwoman;1236319:

  Range isn't as overpowering as it used to be, but it's still nowhere near outdated. I have 2k+ str and dex combined, so why would I not just puppet the whole time? Because range still does more good for me.
  
  Range, even for humans, give great DPS that not many others offer, has great balance of damage and utility. Range also scales very nicely with gear (bhafel combo + reforges) where puppet gets pretty much limited after two reforges. I'm not even at end-game dex, and I still find myself using bow more than puppet.

  
  
  Well, you had to mention an end-game bow and reforge to support the damage for Range. All I have to do is just use a puppet handle bar that is non-special upgraded, unenchanted and with no equipments to do the regular accessible stuff. (HM/Elite dungeons)
  
  All I have to do is Crisis -> Climatic Clash, and everything is dead. It barely even use any durability on the Control Bar because it is only two attacks.
  How much Crash Shots are you going to take to kill a bunch of monsters? When CS is on cooldown, what am I going to resort to? Magnum spam? AR spam?
  
  Yea, I have 2k+ combined str/dex as well. I have all skills at r1 and capped, and can do any combination of combat to kill stuff. The efficiency (and easy to use) of Puppetry is still really strong.
  
  I rarely see people at the Dragon Raid, and I rarely see the material for sell. Even if I get that Bhafel bow, I will probably never use it because I will be afraid to break it. I don't mind breaking my cheap NPC control bar.
• RandomguyonMN wrote on 2014-08-01 04:43
  I think people are looking back at old mabi with some serious rose colored glasses since I've been playing since the game first opened and I think the current mabi trumps the old mabi several times over.
  
  About the genesis system, I'm pretty indifferent to it, don't feel like it really improved or devalued the game (with the exception of elven archery). About the immersion breaks, don't know why you call the old mabi "fantasy life" and the new mabi "anime" since the game has been going for an anime feel since the very start.
  
  I rather like the fact that new technology shows up in the game rather than the world staying stagnant. My view on it is the opposite of yours which is that a world that develops new technology makes more sense to me than a world that just stays the same and never innovates.
  
  About the anime stuff, let me give you an explanation if it makes you feel better.
  Millitians are from a different dimension from the world of Erinn. Even though Miku Hatsune, the various events based on our world, Gangnum style or the modern clothes wouldn't exist in an celtic based culture, they existed in the millitian's world and they just brought them over to Erinn.
• cheese758 wrote on 2014-08-01 07:06

  Quote from RandomguyonMN;1236352:

  I think people are looking back at old mabi with some serious rose colored glasses since I've been playing since the game first opened and I think the current mabi trumps the old mabi several times over.
  
  About the genesis system, I'm pretty indifferent to it, don't feel like it really improved or devalued the game (with the exception of elven archery). About the immersion breaks, don't know why you call the old mabi "fantasy life" and the new mabi "anime" since the game has been going for an anime feel since the very start.
  
  I rather like the fact that new technology shows up in the game rather than the world staying stagnant. My view on it is the opposite of yours which is that a world that develops new technology makes more sense to me than a world that just stays the same and never innovates.
  
  About the anime stuff, let me give you an explanation if it makes you feel better.
  Millitians are from a different dimension from the world of Erinn. Even though Miku Hatsune, the various events based on our world, Gangnum style or the modern clothes wouldn't exist in an celtic based culture, they existed in the millitian's world and they just brought them over to Erinn.

  
  
  Genesis devalued the game by making it too easy. All of the old content is a rofl stomp because mobs still use the old system. They make new content challenging by tripling mob sizes and making everything immediately aggro, mindlessly auto attacking you until someone dies, making the game all about stats and items.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-08-01 10:54
  Lets see, Mabi's old styleness in today's environment would get shot down and shut down faster than P2P going to a F2P.
  
  The business model of Nexon lately is casual gaming. Strangle your wallets, let you quit, and then after some updates, strangle some more.
  If nexon actually took an active approach to their rules. Every single hardcore player would quit this game and the playerbase would die off rapidly.
  The game lives off a delicate balance of cash grab and content/difficulty, and if it tips the scale too hard, then well, you have what we call... Too good to last, or the Firefly syndrome as people like to call it. (If you lean away from cash grab)
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-08-01 13:27

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1236349:

  Well, you had to mention an end-game bow and reforge to support the damage for Range. All I have to do is just use a puppet handle bar that is non-special upgraded, unenchanted and with no equipments to do the regular accessible stuff. (HM/Elite dungeons)
  
  All I have to do is Crisis -> Climatic Clash, and everything is dead. It barely even use any durability on the Control Bar because it is only two attacks.
  
  How much Crash Shots are you going to take to kill a bunch of monsters? When CS is on cooldown, what am I going to resort to? Magnum spam? AR spam?
  
  Yea, I have 2k+ combined str/dex as well. I have all skills at r1 and capped, and can do any combination of combat to kill stuff. The efficiency (and easy to use) of Puppetry is still really strong.
  
  I rarely see people at the Dragon Raid, and I rarely see the material for sell. Even if I get that Bhafel bow, I will probably never use it because I will be afraid to break it. I don't mind breaking my cheap NPC control bar.
  
  On a side note, Alchemy utility is really good compared to other skill sets.

  
  
  Except you still don't need the bhafel combo to see the potential. CS cooldown time? No problem, I can mag then windmill. Also, CS has lower cooldown than climactic crash. I can still do rooms with my HLB for about the same easiness, if not easier. And this is without bullshit crash shot reforges.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-08-01 13:34
  Frankly, ever since the end of Saga 2, it can all be justified with, "The seal of Erinn has been broken allowing for outside influence from the Milliteans to come into the world"
  
  How far one can allow that excuse is open to interpretation. Things change, you either live with those changes or pick another game. Frankly, I don't mind the animification of Mabinogi when the game was already leaning towards that in the first place. May as well embrace it with open arms.
• Meli wrote on 2014-08-01 18:35
  I personally Enjoy the way mabinogi is now, And I enjoy the new stuff added to the game
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-08-01 23:34

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1236448:

  Frankly, ever since the end of Saga 2, it can all be justified with, "The seal of Erinn has been broken allowing for outside influence from the Milliteans to come into the world"
  
  How far one can allow that excuse is open to interpretation. Things change, you either live with those changes or pick another game. Frankly, I don't mind the animification of Mabinogi when the game was already leaning towards that in the first place. May as well embrace it with open arms.

  
  
  Yeah, I'm not really against the animification part.
  I'm just rather not liking the part where weirder people come to play.