[Mabinogi-KR] G19- A Bust?

Zarozian wrote on 2014-08-22 17:20

Quote from Nui;1242223:
I don't think they should scale it down. As it stands generation missions are a complete joke, its good to finally have a challenging storyline. Honestly, just because you can access the generation doesn't mean u should or have to. Work on ur skills instead of trying to face roll all new content at level 1k. I hope they keep the difficulty till its NA release but chances are there will be too much whining by the kr players or even the NA players and nexon will be forced to scale it down because god forbid there's anything difficult in this game u can't face roll without trying /sarcasm.

Agreed.

They should make Gargash immune to range attacks from bows.

Syliara wrote on 2014-08-23 03:58

Quote from Zarozian;1242272:
Agreed.

They should make Gargash immune to range attacks from bows.

Fine by me, I have an op weapon for almost every skillset.

Kaeporo wrote on 2014-08-23 04:11

Quote from Nui;1242384:
Fine by me, I have an op weapon for almost every skillset.

Same. The only thing missing is a decent shuriken.

Those will come in handy against the lycanthrope.

alchestry wrote on 2014-09-02 16:04

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Awhile back they mentioned a new type of dungeon, but we've never received it.

Heat Buster still sucks in comparison to everything else, I don't even recommend it early game anymore.

Totally agree with you about that i can only get like 45k out of an enhanced heat buster with a step 5 demonic and that's if I crit on all three hits

H1111 wrote on 2014-09-10 03:52

The new skill tree is... useless? Three skills sharing the same 40s cooldown?? Can't say i'm looking forward to any of that.

Boss is... a bigass glas? Okie.

ironwoman wrote on 2014-09-10 04:21

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The new skill tree is... useless? Three skills sharing the same 40s cooldown?? Can't say i'm looking forward to any of that.

Boss is... a bigass glas? Okie.

Yes and no for the skills being useless.

Outside of the raids and generation, yeah the skills are pretty useless, since you can use anything to clear contents.

They do give out few stats, so for character development, it's not entirely useless, unless you're sure you won't need those stats ever (which are HP, MP, and SP).

There are also new weapons that come out of this update, if that's what some people want.

Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-01 23:43

Hm, it's been three or so months since G19 hit. Have the KR player's opinions changed since then?

koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-01-03 06:24

G19 is a spectacular bust. Girgash is probably the worst content ever implemented in Mabi.

And really, I think it's really done damage to people's perceptions. This is what we're being offered in terms of combat? A giant hp sponge that you can only deal with through the use of one set of skills combined with guns (at least after WM AI reset is fixed) while invalidating pretty much everything that isn't guns? For rewards that are quite frankly shit?

I'd fire the KR director right now if all we're gonna be getting from here on out are Girgash clones. And the renovation doesn't look good either.

Juno wrote on 2015-01-03 23:59

It didn't feel like a damage sponge to me, nor did I feel like I needed to rank any of the unique skills in order to handle it. With the exception of the Soul Sucking attack or w/e, it actually seems pretty cool. Also, I used alchemy to take it, not guns, so I can't imagine that it's actually invalidating anything.

As for rewards, those do seem pretty bad...I understand that it wouldn't be good if it suddenly became the best exp/gold farm ever, but as it stands it's really not even on the map. The drops are rare and are currently not widely useful...hoping this gets expanded on later.

On the whole, despite what the sentiment in KR might be, I'm willing to give this guy a shot at the rest of the chapter. There were enough things that went well that I'm hoping it wasn't just a fluke, though I do wish they wouldn't put the raid-type Ghirg in the generation solo mission.

Kapra wrote on 2015-01-04 03:20

In terms of G19 the storyline, I thought it was excellent. I thought this was more on par with G11 and 16 and not as shitty as Saga and G12 ended up becoming. I liked that gradual increase in difficulty, I was starting to really struggle. My only complaint is, the very final mission, the two Girgashiys were easier than the first half of the mission, and they were both easier than just 1 of the previous Girgashiy battle missions.

As for the content that was added, I think this is the right way to go. Much better than the shit G9 did with shadow missions, it's clear that they put a lot of thought into how they designed this boss and these skills. I especially like how they made divine skill progression and how you have to be picky about what subskills you want to keep and have to really work hard for a long time to try and get them all to the max. And that you have to actually unlock these subskills.

My problem with transformation has been:

There are too few transformation skills/you finish them too fast. At a certain point you end up having r1 all trans skills and get exp on your main trans skill, and a part of you dies inside. You have nowhere to put this experience, it'll just become wasted and there is no more progression left.
I liked how with Paladins you had to unlock passive defenses and there was a story component associated with it. I was always kind of mad that DK just gave you the skills whether you did the chain or not, and later transformations came out that also didn't have additional work necessary for unlocking passive defenses. Whats more, they later removed the requirements for paladin as far as I'm told.

Quote from Jyu Viole Grace;1259846:
I feel like you're being waaaay too critical about the C6 director. I think the Girgash raid was in a lot of ways good (at least once the WM AI gets fixed) because it requires coordination with your raid party members, which is something that Mabinogi has lacked for a very long time. Up until recently with the addition of the B/W Dragon Raids, and Abyss Dungeons, everything in Mabinogi has been all about you, and literally 0 teamwork (only argument here being possibly the Lord missions as well) and this Girgash raid shows that if you ever try to do it without any team work, it'll just kick your ass.

'Sides, the rewards aren't shit, the Divine Weaponry (in Max roles) are generally top of the line in most cases compared to all the other weaponry in the game.

As for G19 in a storyline perspective, I thought that this Generation was one of the harder ones, and the only thing I see that could be changed in the future is possibly the fact that Celestial Spike, and some of the subskills in general are kinda "meh" compared to the other ones, and I'd hope to see some sort of rebalancing if possible, but even if it doesn't happen, I'd be okay with how things are. Plus Renovation seems like it'll make the Combat skill set more viable, and fun to use.

[SPOILER="An idiot rambling"]^^^
This. After the combat change, where we got instant load stuff and monsters were still stuck loading their skills, things changed. Not completely for worse mind you, but they did change. Long before then, back in the times of the old combat, and before the extra stats from talent helping to boost you, people had to either pet summon and attack something, know how to use WM really freaking well, or relay on team work in heavy multi agro situations and pay attention.

Bad example for heavy multi agro, but I chose to avoid that as much as I could in the past, but back in the day, I would run Rundal normal dungeon with a close friend of mine. Both of us using basic melee to get through with some magic for bolt counter or combos and such. It took us a bit to finish the dungeon and rooms even working together because we couldn't just face wreck everything all the time, unlike today. Whenever we'd get into an 8 skele > 4(or 5 or whatever number) red pirate skele > 4 blue pirate skele room, we had paid enough attention throughout the fight to KNOW who was going to agro us and the other person next once our current fight was done. We also looked out for each other in case we made a mistake and brought multi agro on ourselves by attacking the wrong next skele in the line up.

But in the current time, no one pays attention to that sort of thing, generally. People just care about face wrecking everything as fast as possible, and when they can't do that, they don't pay attention to others as much or the next agro in the line up. They don't get penalized for this much thanks to most people owning AoE pets to cover their asses instead of using other skills and team work, and the monsters have to load their skills, meaning unless it's heavy multi agro, we just beat them to every skill they try and use. It's loading smash? Lol mines better and faster~ Counter? I'll N+smash you anyway because you can't get it off in time like me!~

This raid, once/if WM ai gets changed, will be a nice change of pace. Hopefully demanding teamwork or death. It's hard to find a group of people currently who know what they're doing. That can be said for almost anything in this game sadly when it comes to combat, because all people know to do is wreck everything as fast as you can first, focus on what's going on later.

I feel most people hate it, not because of the skills used for it, but because it's such a dramatic change from just killing everything asap with pet AoE spam to get you out of tight spots. Granted AoE pets still get you out a few things with the boss.

Bleh, I'm rambling now. I think I made my point, dunno. Someone's bound to get what I mean.

Oh though, don't get me wrong. The rewards are annoying as fuck. I killed a single ancient black griz and got more exp than doing the easy raid. >.>[/SPOILER]