Ninja "combat advantages" -- Glitch or intended functionality?

• Jake wrote on 2014-08-23 16:18
  About the title: I couldn't come up with any better way to word this. Sorry if it didn't give a good indication of what the thread topic is going to be about.
  
  What I mean by "combat advantages" are the special ways some ninja skills and attacks function. I would also like to hear if any of you have any similar "advantages" you have come across. I also am wondering if this is intended functionality or a glitch, if anyone knows. That way, I can slowly stop using these due to them possibly becoming fixed.
  
  1. The ability to use smash on mid-air enemies while wielding a shuriken.
  
  You can freely attack white dragon with smash while it is airborne. I would assume this applies to at least other dragon raid bosses -- you can't do this with say, blade wyverns. I can't seem to do this with any other melee weapon equipped.
  
  2. The ability to use shuriken charge on enemies that are casting life drain
  
  I have been able to use shuriken charge while being life drained. I do not use a wide variety of skillsets (pretty much just archery and ninja) so I don't know if any other skills in the game have this advantage as well. This also might apply to everything, but when another monster was in the vicinity of my windmill radius, and I used windmill while I was getting life drained, it hit the boss that was life draining me as well as the other enemy. thus stopping life drain.
  
  3. Sometimes I have the ability to use all attacks on enemies frozen with ice spear
  
  I have been able to attack enemies in ice spear freely with all ninja skills at certain times. I'm not sure what causes this. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. I'm also not sure if shuriken charge can always hit through it.
  
  I've also come across one disadvantage, which again, I'm not sure if other skills have this issue as I am unfamiliar with them. Unlike my archery skills, if I try to use kunai storm on a pool of mobs in the invincibility frames of crisis, it lets me. It just doesn't do any damage.
• DennouNeko wrote on 2014-08-23 16:33

  Quote from Jake;1242465:

  2. The ability to use shuriken charge on enemies that are casting life drain
  
  I have been able to use shuriken charge while being life drained. I do not use a wide variety of skillsets (pretty much just archery and ninja) so I don't know if any other skills in the game have this advantage as well. This also might apply to everything, but when another monster was in the vicinity of my windmill radius, and I used windmill while I was getting life drained, it hit the boss that was life draining me as well as the other enemy, thus stopping life drain.
  
  3. Sometimes I have the ability to use all attacks on enemies frozen with ice spear
  
  I have been able to attack enemies in ice spear freely with all ninja skills at certain times. I'm not sure what causes this. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. I'm also not sure if shuriken charge can always hit through it.

  
  
  I know I tried to use int magic on one of "lifesucker" enemies, but it didn't activate because enemy used Life Drain while I was done charging. Have yet to try to launch fireball on some nearby enemy and see if it hits (anyone knows SM with proper setup?). Same with 3, so far don't remember anyone being able to hit enemy frozen with Ice Spear (I think the exception is when alchemists use Ice Spear Crystal).
  It doesn't seem like intended functionality for ninja, but who knows...
• Tropa wrote on 2014-08-23 16:55
  The reason you can smash mid-air enemies cause the shuriken still counts as a ranged-type weapon(If you could, you can smash mid-air enemies with bows and guns)
• Oberynn wrote on 2014-08-23 17:03
  You can attack enemies during ice spear when someone uses flame burst on them.
• Jake wrote on 2014-08-23 17:14

  Quote from Tropa;1242472:

  The reason you can smash mid-air enemies cause the shuriken still counts as a ranged-type weapon(If you could, you can smash mid-air enemies with bows and guns)

  
  
  Holy hell that's cool
  
  So I can definitely cross that off of the potential glitch list
  
  

  Quote from Oberynn;1242474:

  You can attack enemies during ice spear when someone uses flame burst on them.

  
  
  There were no alchemists in my parties at the times
• Invisible wrote on 2014-08-23 17:23
  For number 2, you can also hit glitched Ifrits. I assume you can also hit glitched Sasquatches.
  
  Shuriken charge seems to ignore invincibility frames, but I haven't done extensive testing.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-08-23 17:26
  2) Are you talking about monster or player? I've never been able to shuriken charge the former.
  
  3) I've only noticed this happen with shuriken charge.
  
  

  Quote from Invisible;1242478:

  Shuriken charge seems to ignore invincibility frames, but I haven't done extensive testing.

  
  
  I don't think so, because it won't hit an enemy being Smashed, Counterattacked, Puppet, etc.
• Jake wrote on 2014-08-23 17:28

  Quote from Darkboy132;1242479:

  2) Are you talking about monster or player? I've never been able to shuriken charge the former.
  
  3) I've only noticed this happen with shuriken charge.
  
  
  
  I don't think so, because it won't hit an enemy being Smashed, Counterattacked, Puppet, etc.

  
  
  2) monster
  
  3) Typically it works with shuriken charge, but I've been able to do normal attacks and kunai storm as well
• Invisible wrote on 2014-08-23 17:29

  Quote from Darkboy132;1242479:

  I don't think so, because it won't hit an enemy being Smashed, Counterattacked, Puppet, etc.

  
  
  Try just tapping the hotkey. Full charged Shuriken Charges won't hit glitched Ifrits either.
• DennouNeko wrote on 2014-08-23 17:35

  Quote from Invisible;1242478:

  For number 2, you can also hit glitched Ifrits. I assume you can also hit glitched Sasquatches.
  
  Shuriken charge seems to ignore invincibility frames, but I haven't done extensive testing.

  
  
  I'll have to try it out next time I get the quest... It would help so much, esp. that it seems they can't strike back in that state.
• Jake wrote on 2014-08-23 17:35

  Quote from Invisible;1242481:

  Try just tapping the hotkey. Full charged Shuriken Charges won't hit glitched Ifrits either.

  
  
  Interesting. That's pretty good information
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-08-23 17:38

  Quote from Invisible;1242481:

  Try just tapping the hotkey. Full charged Shuriken Charges won't hit glitched Ifrits either.

  
  
  If it misses like that, then I think that part sounds glitched.
• DennouNeko wrote on 2014-08-23 17:41

  Quote from Darkboy132;1242485:

  If it misses like that, then I think that part sounds glitched.

  
  
  I don't think it's a matter of hitting or missing. Attempt to use a skill on a glitched Sasquatch won't activate the skill at all (you don't lose charge of magic bolt, etc.).
• ttinchung111 wrote on 2014-08-23 17:55
  I always try to have it equipped during DD raids because it allows me to dodge the fireballs with smokescreen when the raid gets trolled by windmillers.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-08-23 18:18
  I tried to smash w/ shuriken on a blinker, it wouldn't hit it. So, it only works with select monsters?