Puppets and dex

• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-11 17:37
  ok np, thank you all for the help though, so now to the armor, since heavy is limited for Elves, the Royal knight was best i could see.
  
  Should i go heavier on the magic upgrade side though? my final planned upgrade was the Weiss magic upgrade for the OP increase in all def and prot at cost of 8 dura, which i was gonna counter by using seam strengthening and also the gem repair
• Invisible wrote on 2014-09-11 17:47
  Why are you playing as an Elf if you're so focused on wearing heavy armor and ignoring dex? Based on your build, it sounds like you would be better off playing as a Giant.
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-11 18:08
  int and mana, plus stamina. Sure giants are better at str and heavy, but they are lacking in mana and int a lot more and also they seemed to not has as much stamina
  
  oh and less AP for Combat skills
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-09-11 18:34

  Quote from Oraciondark;1246614:

  int and mana, plus stamina. Sure giants are better at str and heavy, but they are lacking in mana and int a lot more and also they seemed to not has as much stamina
  
  oh and less AP for Combat skills

  
  Do your research correctly. Giants lack an insignificant amount of int and mp. And less stamina and less AP for combat skills is false as well.
  
  I'll tell you this: with the skills you mentioned, you're still nowhere near having a good gunner damage. It will be even lower than mine. Hell, you don't even have carpentry in there.
  
  Also, engineering and magic craft are undoubtedly the most two grindy skills. Looks good on paper, right? Try doing it yourself and see if this gunner thing will work out. Hint: it won't.
  
  Just rank your range first. No matter what others say and if you like it or not, it's the basics.
• KBaller69 wrote on 2014-09-11 18:49
  If you want to deal massive damage, go for fighter. It's awesome, also elven speed should benefit you quite a bit in the talent.
• Kelvas wrote on 2014-09-11 18:53
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  Quote from KBaller69;1246624:

  If you want to deal massive damage, go for fighter. It's awesome, also elven speed should benefit you quite a bit in the talent.

  
  
  Fighter animations are too long. Smashing or firebolting does a lot more. Plus, 1v1 damage can only take you so far.
  
  EDIT:
  Since I'm finally home and not posting from my phone, I'll reply to the topic of elf talents, since it relates to this, and also to a question in the small question thread.
  
  As an elf, you basically have two options for primary focus, which are magic and range. You're free to do anything else, but damage won't be that great. Why? Elves have lower base str and gain lower str from skills. Elves get lower multipliers in some combat skills. They don't have lance skills, so elves will be missing str from that talent as well.
  
  Both options will make your elf squishy as you won't be doing str skills. For magic, wearing heavy armor will have almost no penalties, but do note that doing magic is expensive early on.
  For range, you have to wear a bohemian set. The 15% magnum bonus is too good to miss. Since the bohemian set is all clothing, your elf will be squishy early on.
  
  Ranged combat:
  Pros:
  High DPS (from magnum spam)
  Only two skills will be used over and over again (Magnum and Crash)
  Very useful
  Only takes 4k(?) APs to cap dex
  End-game archery is amazing
  Dex supports balance, and armor pierce
  Cons:
  Life skills are grindy
  Ranged attacks can miss
  Squishy early on (can't wear heavy armor)
  Lack-luster (it's all arrows, and most of the time, you'll be using only two skills)
  
  Magic:
  Pros:
  High damage
  Decent DPS (CC Firebolt spam)
  Most of your int comes from the magic tab
  Can wear RK armor
  Versatile (arguably)
  Doesn't miss (unless bolts are evaded)
  Cons:
  Expensive repair fees
  5-6k APs to finish the magic tab
  Pages for int magic are annoying to get
  Chugging MP pots all day
  
  
  The other option is go giant. Their high str makes up for the lower int with gunner damage. If I recall correctly, they're the best gunners. You'll be free to wear heavy armor, as the dex penality will be less.[S] Vales shield + defense makes everything do 1's[/S]
  In my opinion, making a giant is much easier.
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• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-12 17:38
  Ok well Giant is impossible. im married to elf
  
  And both range and magic is boring.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-09-12 18:38

  Quote from Oraciondark;1246848:

  Ok well Giant is impossible. im married to elf
  
  And both range and magic is boring.

  
  Giants arguably have the fastest growth while Elves have it the slowest.
  
  I mean, if you find these skillets boring... why bother to play?
  
  Suck it up and rank it, you think I didn't have to go around ranking range and life skill? I can say it was boring but at least I don't put it off for that reason. Also, don't expect puppet skills to be easier. Puppet skills are nowhere near the most grindy, but some skills are grindy enough. Same for gunner; in fact, gunner is pretty infamous for training requirements. If you think range and magic are boring, I highly doubt you have the patience to rank many other skills.
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-12 18:58
  Here is the thing. if im not interested in the skill and never plan to use it i dont wanna rank it.
  
  i can just deal with being weak. as long as i am the character i wanna be. i never plan to enter peacea or anu dungeon like that anyway
• Kelvas wrote on 2014-09-12 19:31
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  Quote from Oraciondark;1246848:

  magic is boring.

  
  
  I think not. It's the more entertaining skillset if you ask me.
  
  Heck, ice spear is entertaining enough on it's own.
  [SPOILER="IS'ing Saga 10"][video=youtube;_e108OqS9Hs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e108OqS9Hs[/video]
  Don't mind me, I know my ice spear isn't really all that great. (I only use it in this mission or with blaze.) [/SPOILER]
  
  
  

  Quote from Oraciondark;1246870:

  Here is the thing. if im not interested in the skill and never plan to use it i dont wanna rank it.
  
  i can just deal with being weak. as long as i am the character i wanna be. i never plan to enter peacea or anu dungeon like that anyway

  
  
  I had that mindset with my elf. I ended up quitting. The problem with low damage is that you'll have a hard time doing anything. However, it doesn't really matter if you're having fun. My definition of fun is for pretty numbers, but whatever floats your boat. [/UB]
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-12 19:50
  Well i have a waifu and she is elf so if i go giant then i cant marry her.
  
  Also i have like 600 AP for my elf for only ttl level 350 or so.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-09-12 20:08
  You don't have to marry your "waifu". You two can just stick with each other 24/7.
  
  And it's not about being weak or strong. Looking at the rigorous skill requirements, I'm saying that I highly doubt that you'll find the other skillsets mentioned not boring.
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-12 20:16
  With how much effort i already have in my elf it just seems pointless tp restart new. i gpt most gun akills at ra-r9 anf almost r1 in duel gun mastery.
  
  plus im almost master warrior. i mean its all deranked atm by using duncan reset. Also i got some decent magic skills ranked as well and almost done with FB book. so i have a lot of effort in her.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-09-12 20:24
  Nowhere in my post did I say you have to restart your character or some shit like that.
  
  All I'm saying is that you need to have some basics done, and this includes range and life skills.
  
  Realistically, if you want to be doing stuff with gunner, you should be looking at 600 dual gun max, which you clearly don't have...
  
  If I were you, I'd just get your shit together, rank range and life skills, then puppet.
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-12 20:31
  why do you keep saying range and puppet? i saif im done with that. i decided im going heavy armor and done with dex skills.