Puppets and dex

• Kelvas wrote on 2014-09-12 21:01
  [UB]They're essentially the best options aside from magic for elves.
  If you're going to use heavy armor, do magic. You can walk around with 9 dex as an elf mage and still be fine. -cough- like skybid -cough-
  I'm wearing heavy armor, because I am a pure mage, and I plan on switching over to clothing/light armor after I begin to hybrid, which is pretty soon.
  
  Heavy armor has a negative impact if you're doing anything other than pure magic or pure alchemy, and note that defense becomes useless after a certain point. If I made light armor confusing for you, sorry. Let me make it clear this time; Most light armors are pretty cheap to get. For gamyu's, putting on the best enchants is the expensive part. You can grab clean light armors for what? 150k?
  
  
  I'm also going to try to put in perspective of how inefficient elf melee is.
  My human mage, outside of the warrior talent, has ~200 str, at advanced warrior. My elf archer, in warrior talent, has 170 str as a champion warrior. Elves also have a lower multiplier for many combat skills, and you'll find that doing any other talent will be much more effective. It's nice to have str to support other skills, but it shouldn't really be used as primary talent imo.
  
  In the end, it doesn't really matter what you do. We're just giving you advice on a good path to take, but as long as your definition of fun isn't the same as mine -to do damage with pretty numbers- then by all means, do whatever you want. [/UB]
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-12 22:08
  Well thats the thing im relying on an str and int combo for the guns. The amazing Int will cover my lack of str. thats why i sctapped carpentry because i rather go for int skills. problem is gping mage cannot happen, i have no means of getting int Im barely geyting FB as it is. so even if IS and thunder are more OP i just cannot get them saddly.
  
  my way old plan was fighter mage but will seems pointless
• Kelvas wrote on 2014-09-12 23:21
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  Quote from Oraciondark;1246904:

  Well thats the thing im relying on an str and int combo for the guns. The amazing Int will cover my lack of str. thats why i sctapped carpentry because i rather go for int skills. problem is gping mage cannot happen, i have no means of getting int Im barely geyting FB as it is. so even if IS and thunder are more OP i just cannot get them saddly.
  
  my way old plan was fighter mage but will seems pointless

  
  
  Actually, thunder is a lot easier to get than fireball. It's only 5, non-expiring pages, the only hard one being pg4. In terms of raw stats for gunner, (int+str) elves are the worst. Elves have 9 more int than humans, which isn't much. This doesn't mean they suck though, it just means that Giants are the best gunners.
  
  Don't worry about getting int from intermediate magic yet. Most of your early int comes from bolts. You can get ~500 int without int or adv magic if I recall correctly.
  
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  Now that I think of it, getting fireball first wasn't such a bad idea. You could do a fireball/firebolt/blaze fighting style, which is[S] pretty good[/S] amazing in terms of damage. It was suggested to me when I was confused on my path, as well.
  
  If I were in your situation, I would do the following:
  1. Get a Savage Fire Wand* and a r1 Phoenix Fire Wand** (Yes, you need both) (Use wand + shield, and heavy armor, which will remove that squishy factor) and upgrade them for CC4 and speed casting respectively.
  2. Focus on Firebolt, Fireball, Fire Mastery, Magic Mastery, and Magic Weapon Mastery.
  3. Work on other bolts and masteries as 2nd priority and for int.
  3.5 If my funds allow, I would buy books to rank Musical Knowledge and Composing to r9 for power spike.
  3.75 Get Master of Fire, or Magic Weapon Master (preferred) title and use it.
  4. Use Fire magic oriented fighting style to kill everything. (meaning Fireball if you have 10 seconds to spare, and CC firebolt any other time. If Fireball, it's possible to use charge (skill) to get close to an enemy (and ESC to cancel before impact) and to knock them into (with normal attacks, or blaze) fireball if they're not in the radius. If CC firebolt is wrecking my bank(trust me, it will. CC4 FB drains dura and mana fast), then I'd use fusion bolt (very versatile) with the speed wand)
  4.5 s3/s5 wands, if funds allow.
  5. Obtain other int and adv magic and rank them.
  
  
  *It's possible to use a normal fire wand, but savage fire wands are superior, as it can receive BOTH the CC upgrade and artisans upgrade. It also doesn't cost extra MPs to use CC. Spirit fire wand is also an option, but realistically, it'll cost you a lot more to make.
  ** r1 is preferred, as it will save you a ton of money later on. Buy both wands from player shops, venders don't sell savage wands, and normal wands cost more from NPCs.
  
  Savage Wands provide bonus to blaze, and blaze is very useful, even in party play. If your party mate smashes /magnums, firebolt, or wm, simply stand behind the target and charge blaze, and release when the monster is knocked down. Do note that damage is insane (so is mana usage if you do it on every mob), and that this usually won't be necessary unless it's a boss.
  
  Note that any fighting style that involves magic will drain MP like crazy. You should start a mana herb homestead (by robbing someone else's homestead for herbs and creating your own patches of mana herbs) Meditation will help, but not exactly that much.
  
  
  EDIT: Also, your original plan was to be a fighter mage? That's very possible, you know. Magic has strong AoE, and fighter has decent 1v1 damage (CC FB will do more DPS, but meh, do whatever you want.) You could do fighter after magic, and use champion knuckles, b/c Merlins Knux are overrated. [/UB]
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-09-12 23:51

  Quote from Oraciondark;1246848:

  Ok well Giant is impossible. im married to elf
  
  And both range and magic is boring.

  
  
  If you find magic boring, you're probably doing it wrong. Combine spells with hybrid and melee skills to maintain momentum. The shieldless charge reforge can help if you intend to use staves.
  
  You can do stuff later on like:
  
  Thunder > Snap Cast > Thunder - VS grouped bulky mobs (fairly reliable ~30~50k)
  
  or
  
  Hail Storm - VS grouped bulky mobs (~30~35k, can be easily repeated)
  
  or
  
  Meteor Strike - VS distant spread mobs (20~70k)
  
  or
  
  Ice Spear > Blaze - VS bulky mobs(45~60k w/out specific reforges)
  
  or
  
  CC+4 Firebolt spam - flexibly single target DPS (specialized use rises to 20~25k)
  
  or
  
  Ice Spear - heavily controlled AOE damage w/poor team synergy (easily crushes the ecology, no other skill can do this)
  
  or
  
  Charge > Shockwave > Assault Slash > Ice Spear > Blaze > Doppelganger > Snap Cast > Fireball - go nuts
  
  Magic has a ton of useful combat skills. Fusion Bolt and Shockwave are highly underrated as the former is super flexible despite average damage while the latter consistently pushes out 60k+ single target damage but requires some preparation. Magic also obtains very little damage from equipment other than your weapon (rosemary gloves being the only noticeable item) so you can painlessly use Royal Knight for auto-defense, fleet feet for extra movement speed, and enchanted karis for mana reduction.
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-13 02:51
  Well if i do fighter/mage again i would get merlin knuckles. overrated as theu may be, i like the versatility, and i know there are better knuckles and better wands and staffs/staves, but i like to be more bundled and organized.
  
  but i cannot talk much atm, on a bad phone and with family. but i think i got an idea, and while i may still strive for gunner toward my upper levels, for noe i will return to mage, i mean i still have a r2 firebolt haha.
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-19 23:48
  ok guys, ugh i returned to my ways, ugh im so bipolar on what i want to become haha
  
  So I shall be going for starlet once again: Puppet, bard, Holy Arts
  
  Now I will be doing those skills in order: bard, Holy, then puppets. The reason i'm doing puppets last as it will be the most useless right away as I will have archery and Warrior to support me until then
  
  NOW: the other reason is I want to be ready, and by that I need help to know what skill i should rank [and to what rank] in order to get the max dex and str, as an elf, that i can before i get to puppets
  
  I know master warrior and master archer are a must, bt what skills should i make sure to r1 to get there? and i also know of refining, ugh, but what else?
  
  Also armor? what is my best, and cheapest, armor choice for a dex light armor char.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-09-20 00:02
  For armor, just get one of those Quartz Pitch black armors that smaller dragon raids poop out. They're 500k at max.
  
  For skills, just get all your range skills to rank 1 first. Reason? Sniper title is the best for Elves in general, as it'll provide the most of what you'll need the most.
  Then rank weaving, blacksmithing, carpentry, mining, cooking, etc, you get the idea. Basically all the str and dex skills, and don't ask us which, because you will be able to find these skills easily in Wiki (yes, wiki at least has these skills complied).
  
  And last thing, just stick to one thing.
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-20 00:11
  ik its hard for me, everything is fun, and also gets me bored, i guess i'm just exploring a lot before i get to 1k, you know, but this is the thid time i'm going back to starlet, which was my original idea long ago.
  
  also is that armor really good? because i looked up enchants and that pitch black lowers def by 3 :/
• Kelvas wrote on 2014-09-20 00:24
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  Quote from Oraciondark;1248187:

  ik its hard for me, everything is fun, and also gets me bored, i guess i'm just exploring a lot before i get to 1k, you know, but this is the thid time i'm going back to starlet, which was my original idea long ago.
  
  also is that armor really good? because i looked up enchants and that pitch black lowers def by 3 :/

  
  
  It's all for max attack. No other enchant gain is more important than the ones that give max attack. Defense is pretty useless if you can kill everything before they hit you. (Of course, having a bit is helpful, if something goes wrong). Ironwomen recommended it just because it's pretty cheap/easy to get and gives a decent amount of max attack.
  
  Just note that if you can run around without armor, you should use a bohemian set while ranging. Quartz Glass Fragment would be decent enchants for the body wear without risking or spending much.
  
  EDIT: This just popped into my mind. If you have any extra APs, rank song to 5, so you can use BFO and lullaby without using a microphone or instrument. They're both extremely useful.
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• ironwoman wrote on 2014-09-20 00:42
  Like the above said, the last thing you should care about is defense. Right now in the game meta, defense doesn't matter for shit.
  Reason I recommeded the armor is because it has the highest damage to cost ratio. Later on, you would ideally switch to bohemian set.
  
  As for BFO, yes you should rank it. Also rank march song for ok dex. For singing, rank it to 1. Why? More buff and more dex. Same goes for instrument playing.
• Oraciondark wrote on 2014-09-20 00:45
  well my idea was to use standing concert mic but yeah im gonna rank song, but thats after i worry about getting my dex and str sorted.
  
  I'm only lvl 465 but with 713 AP atm im not too worried