Gameplay Quality Concerns: Updates

• EndlessDreams wrote on 2014-10-15 23:14

  Quote from Darkboy132;1251140:

  I really wish they made mobs smarter, not bulkier. I duo'd Duke once because my friend's friend wanted to trio Peaca Abyss, he d/ced in the third room. Duke killed us a few times ONLY because of the one-shot, but other than that it was extremely unentertaining.
  
  Mobs need to be off steroids, and need to stop possessing ONLY basic skills. Why are there so many warrior mobs, archer mobs without crash shot, or mages with only bolt spells? That's just lazy and poor. Mobs shouldn't be "quick and merciless"; rather it's best they torture with a slow and painful death, combined with an intelligent AI they'd stop anyone from saving that person getting combo'd to death.

  
  
  If you reverse the logic, what stops a monster with the best intelligent AI to be combo'd to death? Also, how would the game developers improve their AI to the point that it is meaningful for the time spent?
  
  Don't Peaca Monsters have like Arrow Revolver, and chain-Advance Magic? Neither of those skills are very interactive...
  They should give monsters and players dodges like Evasion, so it it a more interactive combat.
  
  If the monsters don't kill the person in 1 shot or really fast 2 shots, people can just spam pots. In this game, pots have no cooldown. In fact, pots become more effective in terms of healing if you use more of them in a short amount of time.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2014-10-15 23:25
  DevCat needs to rework a lot of things from top to bottom (content, balance, etc). Do they have the will to do it? It'd actually be easy to turn this game into the best (really the only F2P, Archeage is NOT one) sandbox game on the market. Even with the limitations of the engine, you could squeeze another 10 years out of Mabi if you really worked at it. It's just that while DevCat has done a lot to remove the frustration factors from the game (paid weekly RB being the worst offender), they still need to rework the old systems that the game kind of progressed past. They've taken baby steps in that direction but it hasn't stuck.
  
  At the end of the day though, Mabi's not going to die because the hardcore players that leave (and those hardcore players didn't spend THAT much NX because they were ultraefficient at NX spending) are getting replaced by casual players who spend more, spend less efficiently (I know someone who was spending hundreds of dollars a month and still broke ingame, I shit you not), and many of those new high spenders compete in a fashion/marketing endgame that is quite possibly deeper and more involved than the combat endgame. And believe it or not, unless you come into the game already knowing how to play and what to gear AND have the work ethic and grind tolerance to get it, it's still going to take quite a while to get to endgame.
  
  As for me, I'm playing the game casually and ranking things I need to rank when I feel like investing 30 minutes into it, and mostly running things for cash and exp.
• Minatou wrote on 2014-10-15 23:33

  Quote from Osayidan;1251136:

  I'll just be playing PSO2 until we get some rewarding or AP/exp events.
  
  Deep down I still want to enjoy the game because it has so much potential, but it's become too repetitive and doesn't cater well to anyone except new players. One can argue it does a little bit for so called "end game" players with the hardest of the hard shadow missions but I'm sure most disagree, and then everyone in the middle has nothing but grinding to look forward to.
  
  I feel like logging into mabi is work, or some kind of obligation so I don't miss out on things, rather than being fun.

  
  
  You and me both, I've actually just started to collect my dye bottles, synth them, put a shop up, then leave. Soon as I get back home I just throw the cash in the bank and login to PSO2, only thing keeping me logging in every week is the guild I'm in. Other than that this stagnant state of mabi is hitting me hard and I just don't want to try anymore.
• SlurpTASTY wrote on 2014-10-16 00:36

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1251149:

  DevCat needs to rework a lot of things from top to bottom (content, balance, etc). Do they have the will to do it? It'd actually be easy to turn this game into the best (really the only F2P, Archeage is NOT one) sandbox game on the market. Even with the limitations of the engine, you could squeeze another 10 years out of Mabi if you really worked at it. It's just that while DevCat has done a lot to remove the frustration factors from the game (paid weekly RB being the worst offender), they still need to rework the old systems that the game kind of progressed past. They've taken baby steps in that direction but it hasn't stuck.
  
  At the end of the day though, Mabi's not going to die because the hardcore players that leave (and those hardcore players didn't spend THAT much NX because they were ultraefficient at NX spending) are getting replaced by casual players who spend more, spend less efficiently (I know someone who was spending hundreds of dollars a month and still broke ingame, I shit you not), and many of those new high spenders compete in a fashion/marketing endgame that is quite possibly deeper and more involved than the combat endgame. And believe it or not, unless you come into the game already knowing how to play and what to gear AND have the work ethic and grind tolerance to get it, it's still going to take quite a while to get to endgame.
  
  As for me, I'm playing the game casually and ranking things I need to rank when I feel like investing 30 minutes into it, and mostly running things for cash and exp.

  
  
  How is mabi sandbox when the only viable way of playing the game is through combat or buying gacha? Not to mention almost all areas and content are completely irrelevant. I could list off the ways how Archeage is more of a sandbox than Mabi, but thats completely off topic.
• Natural Harmonia Gropius wrote on 2014-10-16 01:40
  You people are seriously just now noticing the decline in the quality of the content produced for this game? It's been going downhill for a very long time now. You guys were very much blinded by the sparkly shit Nexon kept throwing at you.
• Gaby5011 wrote on 2014-10-16 03:02
  I'm 100% everyone noticed. Not many detailed threads have been made though.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2014-10-16 09:04

  Quote from SlurpTASTY;1251159:

  How is mabi sandbox when the only viable way of playing the game is through combat or buying gacha? Not to mention almost all areas and content are completely irrelevant. I could list off the ways how Archeage is more of a sandbox than Mabi, but thats completely off topic.

  
  
  If DevCat actually went through and revamped everything and made things relevant, then you'd have a pretty sandboxy game.
  
  There's actually quite a lot of content in the game, it's just that almost all of it is painfully outdated.
• JADT wrote on 2014-10-16 12:57

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1251208:

  If DevCat actually went through and revamped everything and made things relevant, then you'd have a pretty sandboxy game.
  
  There's actually quite a lot of content in the game, it's just that almost all of it is painfully outdated.

  
  
  Not really outdated, just deprived of its uses and thrown at the back of the closet.
• Citrusjuice wrote on 2014-10-16 14:03
  as a somewhat old player with no endgame characters because I change accounts/characters multiple times, I guess I'm not as bored as you guys :p but the game is ridiculously easy compared to the past and honestly the only thing holding me back is the wait for rebirth and me spending too much gold on fashionogi instead of getting grear. With the new dynamic combat system, I only see like 4 mobs in my head. Ones that do archery,magic,melee or the passive defense mobs. Only thing different is their HP. EvG use to be enjoyable but Now its just who has better latency contest.
  
  I use to think runescape is the trash version of mabi but bow I'm starting to think the opposite. (only played runescape for 5 mins)
• sakraycore wrote on 2014-10-16 16:27

  EvG use to be enjoyable but Now its just who has better latency contest.
  

  
  
  Wasn't it always like that? Yea it was always like that...and I mean when EvG first came out it was like that.
  (some dude with 10ms latency would be able to load AR and reach 99% before the other guy with worse latency can reach 50%)
  
  but IMO the biggest problems with this game:
  
  1) too dependent on latency , mainly an issue because lack of east coast server
  2) items lost due to server crashes (which are dime a dozen) are not returned in their original state. ie you may get the base version of a weapon that you fully upgraded and dyed which is useless.
  
  When I realized these 2 problems can't be fixed many years ago, I made the decision to quit this game because it doesn't have a future.
• Paradise wrote on 2014-10-16 16:45

  Quote from Osayidan;1251136:

  I'll just be playing PSO2 until we get some rewarding or AP/exp events.
  
  Deep down I still want to enjoy the game because it has so much potential, but it's become too repetitive and doesn't cater well to anyone except new players. One can argue it does a little bit for so called "end game" players with the hardest of the hard shadow missions but I'm sure most disagree, and then everyone in the middle has nothing but grinding to look forward to.
  
  I feel like logging into mabi is work, or some kind of obligation so I don't miss out on things, rather than being fun.

  
  
  I stopped playing the moment it started to feel like a job to me, i play for fun not just to display silly big numbers on a screen.
  I had fun helping new players, but new players hype stopped the last month, doki doki grind fest scared new players the hell out of them, and most of them are gone now, Tir now is just filled with afk fashinogies, and a very few new players. Sky high prices also scared some others, so in a part some gacha price-controllers players are to blame a little, but as the OP said, the lack of real challenging content is the real big problem
  
  What if nexon release actual challenging content?
  
  nothing will change. Why?
  That content will be on the hand of those that spam reforges like there's no tomorrow. Reforges used to be the biggest nexon's money source, not anymore, now its all about gachas, and they could take advantage of that and remove reforges forever (or nerf them to a small paid bonus system).
  Another thing that needs to be changed to it's original way to work, is the skill loading time, or give monsters the same dynamic system.
  
  Another thing about mabinogi is that they don't really work on the enemy AI anymore, they keep recycling the same old AIs.
  what else
  
  adding to what i already said:
  -give enemies access to the same skills as milletians.... nothing in sight, besides MA ...
  -Revamp dungeons, a fresh character can pown ciar the first time, that says something nexon...
  -Nerf all the ways to heal but skills, so healers become useful for once (and prevent alchs being healed while they have LD loaded?)
  -Change the way some skills work, like lullaby
  -extend the commerce routes to iria
  -work on guilds features for once, they are nothing but a chat box, besides owning a castle that's it
  -no one says it but nerf those speed reforges and bonus on commerce (more than one will hate me i know, idc)
  -some bosses can dissable your skills (the girl from the Halloween event ie), apply that to more bosses, and let's see what happens
  -nerf the AoE skills, unless they change to use a lot of stamina/mp, if that happens, remember to nerf potions
  -now the game is TOO newbie friendly, nerf that ....
  -Revamp enemies, not their HP!! but stats like their damage (since most of them are just fixed) and str/int/will/dex
  
  many more things come to my mind but i think those are the most relevant ones....
  
  
  As for now, mabi is nothing but a dress up game, deal with it, you can be hitting 100k+, but thats useless untill there's something on this game worth that damage
  
  having a pair of angel wings is way more relevant than 1HKO a white dragon now
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-10-16 21:24

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  give monsters the same dynamic system.

  
  
  No. That's bad game design. Attacks must be telegraphed or you're leaving combat up to chance. People need to be heavily punished for their failure to respond to enemy attacks instead of being punished for failing to predict enemy attacks (that's the realm of PVP). As of right now, people are very rarely punished for anything other than character progression.
  
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -give enemies access to the same skills as milletians.... nothing in sight, besides MA ...

  
  
  Absolutely.
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -Revamp dungeons, a fresh character can pown ciar the first time, that says something nexon...

  
  
  We've been crying about this forever.
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -Nerf all the ways to heal but skills, so healers become useful for once (and prevent alchs being healed while they have LD loaded?)

  
  
  Agreed. Potions should have harsher restrictions and clouds need to be mega-nerfed. They were the single worst addition to Mabinogi.
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -Change the way some skills work, like lullaby

  
  
  Agreed. AOE pets make reduce 95% of content to cannon fodder but these skills allow use to cheese that final 5%.
  
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -extend the commerce routes to iria

  
  
  Uh. Sure.
  
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -work on guilds features for once, they are nothing but a chat box, besides owning a castle that's it

  
  
  Yeah. The guild function is just as bad and outdated as all of our PVP functions.
  
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -no one says it but nerf those speed reforges and bonus on commerce (more than one will hate me i know, idc)

  
  
  I'm not opposed to specific reforge nerfs but they need to make the better toolkits available in-game, as tough content/crafting rewards.
  
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -some bosses can dissable your skills (the girl from the Halloween event ie), apply that to more bosses, and let's see what happens

  
  
  Perhaps not all of your skills.
  
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -nerf the AoE skills, unless they change to use a lot of stamina/mp, if that happens, remember to nerf potions

  
  
  Specific AOE skills probably deserve to be nerfed. It's silly that a lot of the newer ones deal more damage than some single target skills.
  
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -now the game is TOO newbie friendly, nerf that ....

  
  
  Iffy on this one. They need to catch newer players up the metagame without rendering character development useless.
  
  

  Quote from Paradise;1251230:

  -Revamp enemies, not their HP!! but stats like their damage (since most of them are just fixed) and str/int/will/dex

  
  
  They definitely need to increase monster health (barring raids). They're far too squishy and it would take a very unreasonable player nerf for them to ever become a significant hurdle. Standard monsters (overworld) should see an increase of +40% to +6,000 health, whichever is lower. Shadow/Theater Mission monsters should receive a bonus equal to around 80% of that. All monsters should receive an experience buff of roughly 50%.
  
  More importantly, some enemies should see a HUGE defense buff and a MAJOR damage buff. On top of that, several should have new skills to include passive defenses and elemental affinities.
  
  Lastly, players should receive various nerfs to include a piercing nerf, a strength/defense nerf, various skill nerfs, and AOE pet nerfs.
  
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  The second part of this issue is that content should be overhauled to be rewarding.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-10-16 23:51
  What's taking any bug fixes? When was the last "bug hunt"?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-10-17 01:27

  Quote from Darkboy132;1251299:

  What's taking any bug fixes? When was the last "bug hunt"?

  
  
  Probably KR's whole Greenonogi campaigns they did the past year. They've gone back and corrected a fair number of bugs but there's still a lot of bugs they haven't addressed.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-10-17 02:17

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1251309:

  Probably KR's whole Greenonogi campaigns they did the past year. They've gone back and corrected a fair number of bugs but there's still a lot of bugs they haven't addressed.

  
  
  There's a lot of bugs in NA that were fixed in KR...