Fleet Feet aren't 20% (and racial speed info).

• Rydian wrote on 2015-03-17 07:09
  I got a pair of Fleet Feet today. Having done various experiments with movement speed bonuses before I was quite excited to get "+20%"... then I put them on and thought "there's no way this is +20%". So I decided that it's finally time to test player movement speeds in-game.
  
  I used an updated version of my data reading table to track my character's coordinates in-game (with CE set to update the values every 500ms). I logged on with each playable race and then oriented the camera to face north as well as I could (testing via the y-axis changes upon movement) and making sure I would not pass any map segment boundaries. I then recorded the coordinates while I held down the W key to run straight forward. After this I noted the coordinates at each 500ms update (so double the difference would give the units per second).
  
  [spoiler="Raw Results"]Human, Normal Run
  140905
  141098
  141288
  141483
  141674
  141866
  142056
  142246
  
  Elf, Normal Run
  205912
  206171
  206418
  206677
  206927
  207182
  207429
  207686
  
  Giant, Normal Run
  231796
  232014
  232240
  232457
  232687
  232910
  233133
  233358
  
  Human, Fleet Feet
  139431
  139645
  139852
  140067
  140280
  140492
  140704
  140920
  
  Human, Alpaca Robe
  47650
  47886
  48123
  48355
  48582
  48806
  49041
  49266
  
  Human Alpaca Robe + Fleet Feet
  47262
  47517
  47774
  48032
  48286
  48534
  48791
  49036[/spoiler]
  Humans move at ~380 units per second.
  Elves move at ~500 units per second.
  Giants move at ~450 units per second.
  Human (Fleet Feet) is ~424 units per second.
  Human (Alpaca Robe) is ~460 units per second.
  Human (fleet+robe) is ~504 units per second.
  
  So if Humans are 100% move speed, then...
  Elves are 131.58% the speed of humans.
  Giants are 118.42% the speed of humans.
  Fleet feet are 111.58% movement speed.
  Alpaca Robes are 121% movement speed.
  Feet + Robes are 132% movement speed.
  
  (If anybody on Ruairi has Fleet Feet for females, a commerce speed reforge (either gender), or a Wave Sweeper I can borrow for further testing, I'll put the numbers up here.)
  
  And finally to confirm that Fleet Feet are definitely not +20% (because this is Mabi), I went into my HS with somebody and had them apply a +15% from March Song. I then exited the party, overwrite the buff, put fleet feet on, and ran with them to the other side of my HS. They were faster.
  
  [video=youtube;NXWB8C8wwrc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXWB8C8wwrc[/video]
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-17 08:27
  [video=youtube;flf5OCVgI2M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flf5OCVgI2M[/video]
  
  ... Where the hell did wiki get 20% in the first place? Looking at its talk page, a few players also discovered that it wasn't 20% at all, which all of this is news to me.
  
  I'm gonna contact the person who put the 20% where the fuck he got it from.
• December wrote on 2015-03-17 08:45

  Quote from Rydian;1268060:

  
  Humans move at ~380 units per second.
  Elves move at ~500 units per second.
  Giants move at ~450 units per second.
  Human (Fleet Feet) is ~424 units per second.
  Human (Alpaca Robe) is ~460 units per second.
  Human (fleet+robe) is ~504 units per second.
  
  So if Humans are 100% move speed, then...
  Elves are 131.58% the speed of humans.
  Giants are 118.42% the speed of humans.
  Fleet feet are 111.58% movement speed.
  Alpaca Robes are 121% movement speed.
  Feet + Robes are 132% movement speed.
  

  
  
  So fleetfeet + alpaca robe on a human is only barely faster than an elf?
  I assume fleetfeet and the robe increase the speed of elves too, instead of slowing them down, right?
  :whoops:
• Rydian wrote on 2015-03-17 14:32
  That other video assumes 15% for Fleet Feet, but it's definitely less since the 15.x% buff was faster than I.
  
  My numbers aren't exactly precise due to being unable to orient my camera according to an axis easily so there could be 1 to 2 degrees of difference, but the results were consistent. So I guess my question now (other than seeing if people have those other items for me to borrow) is what numbers to round to? Standard half-up, so giants are "18%" while Fleet Feet are "12%" and Elves are "32%"?
  
  Also the Alpaca Robe should be the same as a level 7 reforge (IIRC people said level 6 when they first came out), but that's assuming that each reforge level is 3%... which is something else I'd like to test.
• k1nsoo wrote on 2015-03-17 16:22
  Very interesting data. I believe KR mabi players have already claimed that fleet feet are about 10% plus from its base speed. From my experience, they do stack with alpaca robe or other movement speed modifiers (such as G19 commerce reforged outfits).
  
  For commerce however, instead of 10% from its base speed (let us say that we have lvl20 speed G19 outfit), I believe it adds up with reforge modifier, making 60%+10%. I dunno how fleet feet works with wavesweeper, I'm guessing its additive with fleet feet bonus %?? I do have 16% wavesweeper and fleet feet but I can't find efficient ways to compare results.
  
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• Rydian wrote on 2015-03-17 18:54
  Fleet Feet and the Alpaca Robe stacked additively (they are separate set effects after all), I'd like to see if other things do as well.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-17 22:50
  IIRC Floral Fairy gives 10% movement speed to its owner when summoned. You can test that to fully confirm whether Fleet Feet really is 10%.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-03-18 00:13
  I actually wasn't playing when those came out.
  
  Will try to remember to test Commerce partner though.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-03-18 05:01

  Quote from Darkboy132;1268070:

  
  I'm gonna contact the person who put the 20% where the fuck he got it from.

  
  
  Oh I thought that you speaking on mabiwiki sounded a lot more goddamn harsh than what one would expect.
  ____
  The 20% mainly came from most folks doing the calcs via commerce and the data came back 20% for the most part. I haven't given enough of a damn to look at them since I did and there wasn't enough resources at hand to prove if it was multiplicative or additive, which is the big question. Fleet Feet are an entirely different class of speed increases as opposed to the existing ones, and comparing a TS20+Fleet which was going the same speed as a nimbus, there had to have been a greater increase than what 10% was.
  
  Additionally, here's the only data that I have remaining from my fleet feet tests.
  
  

  Oh those numbers? Here you go
  TS20+Fleet Feet
  Normal Human Speed:1.00(Reference)
  Speed with wagon: 3.61, Nimbus speed.
  Speed with Elephant: 2.63, Thoroughbred Speed
  Unmounted Movement Speed MAX(Human):2.22
  Unmounted Movement Speed MAX(Elf):2.94
  
  In TS19 as an elf, charge at ~1600 distance takes hardly a second to complete.
  You'd be teleporting at this speed almost.
  
  Alpaca(20% Increase)+Fleet Feet
  Wagon:2.71, ~Thoroughbred Speed
  Elephant:1.97, Exceeding Shire Speed.

  
  
  Regardless, I'll redo my tests tomorrow since I now have another speed modifier to toy around with (Level 11 Guarded Steps), and a bit more in the way of calculating all of this since I tested it in July. Wave Sweeper, Reforge, March Song, and Racial speeds are additive from my casual testing, however, Guarded Steps, Fleet Feet, and Transport Speed are Multiplicative. Fleet Feet are also the ONLY bonus that is a universal applier, as none of the other speed bonuses actually affect everything (Read: Affect normal+Commerce). [S]Additionally, I'm a garbage candidate for testing as I've played an elf for two and a half years, and measuring speed precisely is difficult as its just going over the speed limit anyways.[/S]
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-18 05:16

  Quote from Esileruf;1268169:

  Oh I thought that you speaking on mabiwiki sounded a lot more goddamn harsh than what one would expect.

  
  
  I'm sorry? All I said on wiki was that the videos on Fleet Feet disproved the claim on 20%. I'm sorry if you find anything I said offensive.
  
  Mabiwiki has much different standards of how they want their community to treat each other. However, I meant no offense to you or your tests, so again I apologize.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-03-18 05:46
  is k.
  Just not everyday I get dumped on me a coupla sentences that I can almost read the steel lining to them, and a pair'a videos to boot. I rarely keep my testing data offhand because I normally can easily re-create it, FORTUNATELY, I remembered posting about my tests in a handy place with an archive.
  
  Addition: Rank A Sweeper(10%), Fleet Feet(?), and Movement Speed 5(15%) on a human were able to keep up with my elven natural+fleets. I'd bother the guy I tested this with, but for some reason he went on a hiatus without a word again, So I probably wont see him for another, hmm, 4-8 weeks I'd think?
• Oberynn wrote on 2015-03-18 06:33

  Quote from Esileruf;1268171:

  Addition: Rank A Sweeper(10%), Fleet Feet(?), and Movement Speed 5(15%) on a human were able to keep up with my elven natural+fleets.

  
  
  Movement speed lv 5 doesn't stack with sweeper.
  I had lv 5 on my fleets and 16% sweeper, ran at exactly the same speed as another human with 16% sweeper and fleets that had no movement reforge.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-03-18 06:36

  Quote from Oberynn;1268174:

  Movement speed lv 5 doesn't stack with sweeper.
  I had lv 5 on my fleets and 16% sweeper, ran at exactly the same speed as another human with 16% sweeper and fleets that had no movement reforge.

  
  
  That is odd then. I thought they had fixed stacking of movement speed, but it seems not.
• Jake wrote on 2015-03-18 13:24
  Huh. I always thought they were like 10. Where did the (wiki guy?) person get 20 from haha
• Deletion wrote on 2015-03-18 13:44
  I have always been under the impression that Fleet Feet was 10%, as it is stated as "Movement Speed Increased 10".
  The commerce speed bonus from Fleet Feet felt more like 3 commerce speed levels added onto my level 14, as it still could not keep up with a level 18 commerce reforged commerce-r.