Monster Hunter Stories, an RPG spin-off announced for 3DS

• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-04-14 05:12

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  It never was, it's your typical action-adventure game franchise.
  Zelda 2 from what I've been told is. Never played it though.

  
  
  Ya don't have to have stats or level up, there has to be progression of the character, which is simulated elsewhere.
• Zekkii wrote on 2015-04-14 05:12

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  So zelda doesn't count as one now?

  
  Any game where you presume the role of someone or something is a role playing game, which is pretty much every video game ever made. It made more sense when we only had board games; while DnD immersed you heavily into a highly customizable character that you actively portrayed, that was hardly the case in scrabble, pictionary, or most games at the time. Decades later, people assign some weird qualifications to the tag to try to give it some kind of meaning. As a result, we have the following criteria:
  
  IF close to DnD, then RPG else ADVENTURE
  
  The more elitist you are, the closer it has to be to DnD.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-04-14 05:22

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  Any game where you presume the role of someone or something is a role playing game, which is pretty much every video game ever made. It made more sense when we only had board games; while DnD immersed you heavily into a highly customizable character that you actively portrayed, that was hardly the case in scrabble, pictionary, or most games at the time. Decades later, people assign some weird qualifications to the tag to try to give it some kind of meaning. As a result, we have the following criteria:
  
  IF close to DnD, then RPG else ADVENTURE
  
  The more elitist you are, the closer it has to be to DnD.

  
  
  I was just using Wikipedia's definition since wikipedia defined such games as RPG.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2015-04-14 06:53
  Your weapons get higher stats, armor operates on stats, the skill system has different tiers of of the same skill. You even "role-play" as your character since you give your avatar their own name and they never talk.
  
  How is this not an action rpg. Sure your character doesn't grow per say and it's all gear based but everything else still applies.
• Compass wrote on 2015-04-14 10:47

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  Ya don't have to have stats or level up, there has to be progression of the character, which is simulated elsewhere.

  
  
  Yes you do, the genre was based on tabletop roleplaying games.
  By your definition God of War is an RPG, as is Jak and Daxter, Devil May Cry, Assassin's Creed, Batman Arkham Series, Red Dead, etc. All of these games have non-attribute based character progression.
  
  

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  Your weapons get higher stats, armor operates on stats

  
  Exactly, your equipment gets higher stats, your character does not. Huge difference.
  
  

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  the skill system has different tiers of of the same skill.

  
  Most action-adventure games have an upgrade system, this doesn't make them Action-RPGs.
  
  

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  You even "role-play" as your character since you give your avatar their own name and they never talk.

  
  This has never played a role in categorizing a game as an RPG and never will. Gameplay genres are based on gameplay, not what you do with your imagination, not about what stetting the game decides to use, not the artstyle, not what music it uses, just gameplay and nothing but gameplay.
  
  

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  How is this not an action rpg

  
  You can't take the key aspect the whole genre revolves around and start saying it's still the genre.
• Natural Harmonia Gropius wrote on 2015-04-14 11:02

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  Ya don't have to have stats or level up, there has to be progression of the character, which is simulated elsewhere.

  
  
  Isn't increasing Hunter Rank and gaining access to new hunts technically leveling up and character progression?
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-04-14 11:20

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  Isn't increasing Hunter Rank and gaining access to new hunts technically leveling up and character progression?

  
  
  
  Technically.
  
  Just going to go by what it's officially classified as, because the whole "every game is an RPG then" counterpoint has been stated already.
  
  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_role-playing_game
• Compass wrote on 2015-04-14 12:34

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  Isn't increasing Hunter Rank and gaining access to new hunts technically leveling up and character progression?

  
  No, again no character stat growth whatsoever. And how is getting access to more content somehow an RPG mechanic? Is Red Dead Redemption an RPG now because you unlock more as you play the game?
  Character progression does not make a game an RPG. Battlefield and Call of Duty are not RPGs.
  
  
  

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  Just going to go by what it's officially classified as

  
  Classified by people who really don't know how the genre works. Japan has never classified the game as RPGs. The fact you thought Zelda was an RPG is a huge warning sign.
  The people who think Monster Hunter is an RPG series are probably the same type of people think jRPGs and wRPGs are actual genres.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-04-14 13:04

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  No, again no character stat growth whatsoever. And how is getting access to more content somehow an RPG mechanic? Is Red Dead Redemption an RPG now because you unlock more as you play the game?
  Character progression does not make a game an RPG. Battlefield and Call of Duty are not RPGs.
  
  
  
  Classified by people who really don't know how the genre works. Japan has never classified the game as RPGs. The fact you thought Zelda was an RPG is a huge warning sign.
  The people who think Monster Hunter is an RPG series are probably the same type of people think jRPGs and wRPGs are actual genres.

  
  
  Actually. Read the article. It mentions Zelda in there for you. If you don't want to. It mentions that the original zelda more or less was "declassified" as an action RPG. I was admitting my mistake. I called it an RPG because that's what it was called when i was younger.
  
  And no. Call of Duty just has an RPG mechanic. (there wasn't any question that it was an RPG, This was discussed when Call of duty 4 came out by their developers stating they added an RPG mechanic)
  
  Maybe in due time MH will be "declassified" as zelda was, but for the time being, it's being called an RPG. Even by capcom.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-04-15 20:46
  I'd just like to point out, why would Capcom bother calling it an RPG spinoff if monster hunter was already an RPG?
  
  
  “We want to imbue this game with a storyline and brand of fun that can only be done within the confines of an RPG, while still preserving the core sensibilities that people have come to associate with Monster Hunter,” Tsujimoto said.
  
  Could have easily of said something along the lines of "We wanted the game to focus more on story," if the series was already an RPG to begin with.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-04-15 21:09
  Going with what capcom JP's blog says. (Genre: Action RPG)
  
  Also im sure he means the traditional RPG.
• Compass wrote on 2015-04-15 21:51

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  Actually. Read the article. It mentions Zelda in there for you. If you don't want to. It mentions that the original zelda more or less was "declassified" as an action RPG.

  
  Yes, in the western market.
  
  

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  And no. Call of Duty just has an RPG mechanic. (there wasn't any question that it was an RPG, This was discussed when Call of duty 4 came out by their developers stating they added an RPG mechanic)

  
  Character progression just like Monster Hunter.
  
  

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  Maybe in due time MH will be "declassified" as zelda was, but for the time being, it's being called an RPG. Even by capcom.

  
  Capcom and Japan use 'Hunting' which they put under the action genre. The subgenre that the west has picked up since we started to get more hunting games like Toukiden, Freedom Wars, Soul Sacrifice, God Eater, and Ragnarok Odyssey
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-04-15 22:42
  And in western countries, japan assigned it action RPG. Because hunting genre for western countries is a joke
  http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e150414.html
  
  Like i said. Action RPG.
  This aint about what it's "officially" called in Japan. Because if we were to reclasssify it as hunting genre in the west, we would have to reclassify a lot of things. Action RPG sells, Hunting wont due to what we actually have in the hunting genre. But you should know this instead of grasping at straws.
  
  
  Also, no, you don't get anything "better" by leveling up in call of duty (arguable really, semantics, perks, blahblah)
  You level up armor and weapons which you can't do in CoD. Even have pretty numbers next to the armors too. Hell you even have companions that level up and increase stats too.
  
  Character progression is different than most RPGs, but it is still an RPG, compare skyrim. One could sell all of their gear on both games and still be completely fine. In MH's case, you can go back to ultra high level quests and regather items for gear. Which you unlocked, by progression.
• Zekkii wrote on 2015-04-15 23:20
  I mean... does it really matter? Let's not get caught up in classification technicalities and take the game at face value.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-04-15 23:22

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  I mean... does it really matter? Let's not get caught up in classification technicalities and take the game at face value.

  
  
  It does matter, it's taking away from my japanese comic reading time and cartoon shows