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"Breast" and other keywords.


Due to this, they stopped using keywords in later gens.

Actually no, they didn't. They just made the keywords invisible, and NPCs check to see if you have a keyword and if you do they automatically fire up their quest sequence for it instead of waiting for you to talk to them with it.



[SIZE="4"]- Topic 3: Naming Conventions[/SIZE]
Since keywords changed from visible to invisible, keyword (and NPC multiple-choice response) naming conventions changed over time as well. Early on, keywords started out descriptively.

- The G1 keyword "Paradise" is "g1_paradise".
- The G2 Aer keyword is "g2_22_SpiritOfWaterAer".
- The G3 Macha keyword is "g3_04_GoddessMacha".
In fact, they did this up through G6 (the trans quest), like "g6_elf_07_taunes".

Looks fine, right? Well, eventually since the keywords stopped being visible and started being server-side quest markers, they stopped bothering to make them as descriptive.

This started with G7 (and continues to this day). For example Ruwai checks for the "g7s3_04" keyword, which would show up as "Gift Fish for Ruwai"... if it was a visible, usable keyword instead of an invisible quest marker. G13 even has such amazingly-descriptive quest responses as "g13_294209_4". Hell, even the recent Ninja questline uses keywords which would show up in-game with such descriptive names as "ninja_skill_26004".

The good news is they're getting a bit better about it now. G19 has much better keywords, named things like "g19_view_tolvish_abbneagh_bard_camp" and such that will actually allow proper testing and debugging on devcat's end.

And at least this keyword system only affects quests... right?

... oh crap.



[SIZE="4"]- Topic 4: What Else Uses Keywords[/SIZE]
Some things are tracked with keywords that you normally think wouldn't be (and shouldn't be). Instead of making a proper flag system, they decided to just use the keyword system for a lot of things.



Xcelled probably has more examples of abusing the keyword system.

Myself, I'll be crying in a corner over the technical state of this game if you need me.
  • Daakun wrote on 2015-06-21 17:52
    At least keywords aren't treated as items, right?

    ...right?
  • Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-21 18:56
    Is the breast keyword even obtainable in KR, JP, etc. currently?
  • Tetosan wrote on 2015-06-21 21:10
    Quote from Darkboy132;1279449:
    Is the breast keyword even obtainable in KR, JP, etc. currently?


    It is and i know for a fact that, even tho the Spirits are coded to respond to it, their reaction is simply that they don't know what you're talking about ^^ So i'm not sure what others would react on it but appearently there's heavy discussing to actually remove it for good anyways.

    I'll ask my contact in JP to investigate the responses of other NPCs listed here but if i don't post again the majority doesn't utter any cool sentences about it.
  • Blissfulkill wrote on 2015-06-21 23:41
    Keywords seem hard to code in per NPC. Ambitious, but short lived. An artifact of Mabi never meant to be.
  • Kapra wrote on 2015-06-22 00:28
    Quote from Daakun;1279446:
    At least keywords aren't treated as items, right?

    ...right?

    Not that I know of. But quests are considered items~ (Last I heard)
  • X wrote on 2015-06-22 02:46
    Quote from Blissfulkill;1279477:
    Keywords seem hard to code in per NPC. Ambitious, but short lived. An artifact of Mabi never meant to be.


    It also paved the way for some fascinating security bugs, like the DK elves. The NPCS are awful - the whole system should have been overhauled long before it got to this point.

    Quote from Kapra;1279482:
    Not that I know of. But quests are considered items~ (Last I heard)


    Quests have both an item and quest-y component. The client can only deal with the quest-y stuff if you have the item (scroll). Obviously no one wants to fill up their inventory with 50000 quests, so devcat made a quest-only inventory. This was a mistake, as it lead to lost elf duping. My friend was even able to dup the daily quests and farm exp off of them.
  • Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-22 03:26
    Quote from Kapra;1279482:
    Not that I know of. But quests are considered items~ (Last I heard)


    I thought they removed all those 2x2 skill quest scrolls?
  • Rydian wrote on 2015-06-22 03:38
    Quest scrolls still exist and go in your quest inventory. You might be surprised how many invisible inventories a character has... but that's another topic.

    "Skill" quests (book ones mainly) are a separate type of quest scroll (a different ID), things that give you those quests check to see if you have any of that quest scroll item before deciding to give you it or not (and for the renovation updates the check beforehand was simply removed).
  • Deletion wrote on 2015-06-22 03:52
    Use the "Inn" Keyword with Eirawen.
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  • X wrote on 2015-06-22 04:36
    Quote from Deletion;1279519:
    Use the "Inn" Keyword with Eirawen.
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


    [Image: http://i.imgur.com/kank0Aq.gif]

    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  • Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-22 04:45
    Quote from Xcelled194;1279522:
    [Image: http://i.imgur.com/kank0Aq.gif]

    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


    I don't get what that has to do with Breast...?
  • X wrote on 2015-06-22 04:48
    It's devCat being perverted old asian dudes again.

    [SIZE="1"]They painted her as if she's offering us a place in her bed, despite that she's what, 11?[/SIZE]
  • Blissfulkill wrote on 2015-06-22 11:28
    Quote from Xcelled194;1279527:
    It's devCat being perverted old asian dudes again.

    [SIZE="1"]They painted her as if she's offering us a place in her bed, despite that she's what, 11?[/SIZE]


    I would totally take her virginity, if only for the sole purpose of her becoming my sole partner in ruling the Aliech kingdom!
  • Tetosan wrote on 2015-06-22 23:30
    Quote from Xcelled194;1279527:
    It's devCat being perverted old asian dudes again.

    [SIZE="1"]They painted her as if she's offering us a place in her bed, despite that she's what, 11?[/SIZE]


    According to the Fan Guide she's 18 by the time she becomes Queen.

    Quote from Blissfulkill;1279542:
    I would totally take her virginity, if only for the sole purpose of her becoming my sole partner in ruling the Aliech kingdom!


    You'd be executioned for raping the Queen and since Eirawen knows Milletians come back again she would have a very special Task Force (lead by me) hunt you down and kill you over and over till you beg Nao to return you to your own world o.o