Let's talk Market Systems

• Kokio wrote on 2015-07-11 04:36
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  Quote from Bunny;1281435:

  I don't support this because:
  
  
  
  I'd like that happiness forever, pls
  
  Also, supply and demand fluctuates too much to make "average price" useful for many things. If you know how to merch properly, good. If not, that's unfortunate and you'll have to learn the hard way. No spoonfeeding !!!!

  
  
  
  Wow. Describe the hard way? Due to your valid point of supply and demand fluctuating so heavily in this economy, the price is never set.
  
  Frankly there isn't much spoonfeeding going on here except for the mere fact that not everyone lives to be a fashionogi afking selling their many items/clothing/etc. If a noob got, let's say, a candy pillow from the on-going Nightmare event they could efficiently sell their item without having to come up with an inaccurate price if they're unaware of the current market statuses. [/SIZE]
• Bunny wrote on 2015-07-11 08:15

  Quote from Kokio;1281471:

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  Wow. Describe the hard way? Due to your valid point of supply and demand fluctuating so heavily in this economy, the price is never set.
  
  Frankly there isn't much spoonfeeding going on here except for the mere fact that not everyone lives to be a fashionogi afking selling their many items/clothing/etc. If a noob got, let's say, a candy pillow from the on-going Nightmare event they could efficiently sell their item without having to come up with an inaccurate price if they're unaware of the current market statuses. [/SIZE]

  
  
  The hard way would be realizing you sold something for way less, or bought something way overpriced (as of now). There's nothing more to it than that.
  
  The problem with "average prices".. depending on the item and the demand for it, it can mean absolutely nothing when no one wants it, so that newbie's candy pillow may not even sell for the "average price". Also, what about outliers? Those who happen to sell for way higher or lower would scale average prices to be inaccurate, no? It'll work for small things ideally, such as upgrade stones, but for expensive and rare items, its going to be a problem.
  
  

  Quote from callback;1281428:

  "[#] of this item sold for an average price of [price] gold over the past week."
  or for less frequently traded items,
  "Last known sale was for [price] gold, [#] weeks ago."
  
  Gives you a good indication of not only pricing, but how hot the market is for a certain item.
  
  Of course, things like enchants, reforge, upgrades (sp up trade unlocked), etc. would still put a LOT of variation, making this system a bit inaccurate.

  
  
  A good idea. But the bottom portion alone is enough to make that sort of system not worthwhile.
  
  Unpopular opinion: The market right now isn't so bad with free pricing. If you're going to blame something, blame the easiest way to obtain gold fast (saga). The root cause would be how gold enters and exits, not the price of items. When you buy something, that gold doesn't go poof unless the person who gains it uses it on a gold sink (ex: high repairs, upgrading fees, etc.) And we all know that isn't enough of a gold sink on this game. As long as gachapon/saga exists, there is no way this market can improve much imo.
  
  Would an auction system be ideal for this game? Yes. Will it be done right? Nope, probably not. in2deep
• Drizzit wrote on 2015-07-12 17:04

  Quote from Bunny;1281491:

  The hard way would be realizing you sold something for way less, or bought something way overpriced (as of now). There's nothing more to it than that.
  
  The problem with "average prices".. depending on the item and the demand for it, it can mean absolutely nothing when no one wants it, so that newbie's candy pillow may not even sell for the "average price". Also, what about outliers? Those who happen to sell for way higher or lower would scale average prices to be inaccurate, no? It'll work for small things ideally, such as upgrade stones, but for expensive and rare items, its going to be a problem.
  
  
  
  A good idea. But the bottom portion alone is enough to make that sort of system not worthwhile.
  
  Unpopular opinion: The market right now isn't so bad with free pricing. If you're going to blame something, blame the easiest way to obtain gold fast (saga). The root cause would be how gold enters and exits, not the price of items. When you buy something, that gold doesn't go poof unless the person who gains it uses it on a gold sink (ex: high repairs, upgrading fees, etc.) And we all know that isn't enough of a gold sink on this game. As long as gachapon/saga exists, there is no way this market can improve much imo.
  
  Would an auction system be ideal for this game? Yes. Will it be done right? Nope, probably not. in2deep

  
  Didn't they nerf the saga 2 gold rewards?
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2015-07-15 05:51

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1281190:

  
  4) Make ability to buy houses available to all players
  6) Reduce Bank/Housing transfer fees

  
  
  Agree with all items on the list except these 2. 4 because what real reason is there to get prem service other than housing? and 6 because we have enough inflation as it is without reducing the gold sinks. Fees should stay the same.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-07-18 14:55

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1281824:

  Agree with all items on the list except these 2. 4 because what real reason is there to get prem service other than housing? and 6 because we have enough inflation as it is without reducing the gold sinks. Fees should stay the same.

  
  
  They can create more interesting/useful gold sinks that people will want to actually use instead of annoying people with fees that people come up with creative ways to avoid/minimize.
• callback wrote on 2015-07-21 13:36
  Simply adding a better gold->ducat conversion tool would be a great sink. Ducat items are mostly novel anyway, but highly expensive and a lot of players would gladly spend their surplus gold to play around with dual caladbolgs or grab a bunch of rolls on wave sweepers.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-07-21 17:39

  Quote from callback;1282327:

  Simply adding a better gold->ducat conversion tool would be a great sink. Ducat items are mostly novel anyway, but highly expensive and a lot of players would gladly spend their surplus gold to play around with dual caladbolgs or grab a bunch of rolls on wave sweepers.

  
  
  I like this idea. I think punishing players is a terrible way of going about it. Pretty much what Osay said as well.
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2015-07-22 00:03

  Quote from Osayidan;1282160:

  They can create more interesting/useful gold sinks that people will want to actually use instead of annoying people with fees that people come up with creative ways to avoid/minimize.

  
  
  I think fees should stay the same AND more gold sinks should be added. And yes, of course there are ways around many of the fees -- those fees are there because it's more convenient to direct house to bank transfer or pick up an item thru mail with bank gold if you can't meet up for trade. If you put in a little bit extra effort, you can always avoid a good amount of it. A lot of people are probably too lazy to be bothered though.
  
  If we reduced fees, we'd have even more inflation. Gold is already trading at a rate close to what we had when it was being duped in massive amounts thanks to nexon making content easier by buffing players and constantly throwing shadow/raid crystals in every gach. Unless nexon fixes that issue first, I don't think it should be reducing fees. I would only support the idea of reducing fees if nexon made gold generation substantially more difficult.