Windows 10 Loses Millions of Users(Probably)

• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-08-20 08:06

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1284435:

  Invading the privacy of millions to stop one guy from illegally downloading Windows Solitaire. Yeah, sounds legit.

  
  
  No less than other software or systems that grab user information.
  
  Oh no, what are they going to do with my information? Spam me with mail? Oh boy? Email? Oh boy?
  Facebook does so much goddamn worse and yet people still use it.
  
  The only thing i am against is blatently malicious activity under the guise of improvement, some companies dont need to know certain things. It fucking bothers me to high hell that facebook knows way too much about me just because i put my first and last name on there.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2015-08-24 10:20
  Well, whether this is true or not, because of all the privacy concerns several Torrent Trackers are starting to ban Windows 10. So if that keeps spreading soon no one on Windows 10 will be able to use torrents anyway.
• Yoorah wrote on 2015-08-24 22:41
  I must say that I did enjoy reading this train-wreck of a thread. :D Thoughtless spreading of FUD, ramblings from a misguided IT guy and other random silliness... and now alleged concerns from BT trackers about Windows 10 privacy? LOL
  
  FYI, BT is one of the least private technologies out there. Literally anyone can see what everyone else is downloading, by design (i.e. the whole peer-to-peer thing.)
  
  I'll be here enjoying the enhancements in UX and backend (including delicious DirectX 12 graphics/multicore optimizations) while some people on the Internet rage and whine about insignificant and/or non-existent problems. :P
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-08-24 23:43
  I'll also be here enjoying all that, without any mabinogi though.
• Zunori wrote on 2015-08-25 00:09

  Quote from Osayidan;1284914:

  I'll also be here enjoying all that, without any mabinogi though.

  
  
  Just when I want to get back to it, I find out I can't unless I hack. Great job Nexon, you f**ed up again. Over 8 months of preview time and they can't get the damn game to load in Windows 10.
  
  On the side note, I really don't find the Torrent ban a big deal. Eventually, they're going to have to let go.
  
  [SPOILER="Article about torrent ban:"]

  Since the release of Windows 10 last month many media reports have focused on various privacy intrusions.
  
  The WiFi password sharing feature, for example, or the extensive sharing of personal data and information back to Microsoft’s servers. The list goes on and on.
  
  While we’re the last ones to defend these policies, it is worth pointing out that many other large tech companies have similar privacy violating policies. Reading rants about Windows 10 privacy on Facebook is particularly ironic.
  
  This week things took a turn for the worse. Slowly but steadily reports started pouring in that Windows 10 has a built-in piracy kill switch. If we were to believe some of the reports, Microsoft would nuke all torrents downloaded from The Pirate Bay.
  
  The truth is nowhere near as dystopian though. The controversy originates from a single line in Microsoft’s Service Agreement which allows the company to download software updates and configuration changes that may prevent people from “playing counterfeit games.”
  
  This change isn’t limited to Windows 10 but covers many services. Also, there is no indication that this will ever be used to target third-party games, which is highly unlikely.
  
  Still, the recent privacy concerns have some torrent tracker staffers worried. During the week TF received reports informing us that several private trackers have banned Windows 10, or are considering doing so.
  
  The staffers at iTS explain that Windows 10 is off-limits now because of the extensive amount of data it shares. This includes connections to MarkMonitor, the brand protection company which is also involved in the U.S. Copyright Alert System.
  
  “Unfortunately Microsoft decided to revoke any kind of data protection and submit whatever they can gather to not only themselves but also others. One of those is one of the largest anti-piracy company called MarkMonitor,” iTS staff note.
  
  “Amongst other things Windows 10 sends the contents of your local disks directly to one of their servers. Obviously this goes way too far and is a serious threat to sites like ours which is why we had to take measures,” they add.
  
  While this may sound scary, Microsoft has been working with MarkMonitor for years already. Among other things, the company helps to keep scammers at bay.
  
  There is no evidence that any piracy related info is being shared. Still, the connection is raising red flags with other tracker operators as well. More trackers reportedly ban Windows 10 and others including BB and FSC are consider to follow suit.
  
  “We have also found [Windows 10] will be gathering information on users’ P2P use to be shared with anti piracy group,” BB staff writes to its users.
  
  “What’s particularly nasty is that apparently it sends the results of local(!!) searches to a well known anti piracy company directly so as soon as you have one known p2p or scene release on your local disk … BAM!”
  
  The same sentiment is shared at FSC where staff also informed users about the threat.
  
  “As we all know, Microsoft recently released Windows 10. You as a member should know, that we as a site are thinking about banning the OS from FSC. That would mean you cannot use the site with the OS installed,” FSC staff writes.
  
  While a paranoid mindset is definitely not a bad thing for people in the business of managing a torrent community, banning an operating system over privacy concerns is a bit much for most. Especially since many of the same issues also affect earlier versions of Windows.
  
  Luckily, the most invasive privacy concerns can be dealt with by configuring Windows properly. Or any other operating system, application or social network for that matter.
  
  Instead of banning something outright, it may be a good idea to inform the public on specific dangers and educate them how they can be alleviated.

  
  Taken From https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-trackers-ban-windows-10-over-privacy-concerns-150822/[/SPOILER]
  
  Whether you like it or not, Windows 10 is going to be the OS of the future. Take the free upgrade while it lasts. It's not as bad as people make it to be.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-08-25 14:39

  Quote from Osayidan;1284914:

  I'll also be here enjoying all that, without any mabinogi though.

  
  
  Well there is modding for that Osay xD Unfournatley it seems to run into issues when trying to bounce between KR Mabi and NA Mabi on Steam for w/e reason. No issues with KR Mabi and normal NA mabi though.
  
  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  
  But ya, been playing Mabinogi on Windows 10 since release since modding fixes all the shit Nexon won't. I really do love using Windows 10.
• Odin wrote on 2015-08-25 16:57
  Its really a shame about the privacy problems though. The tech demo was actually really nice to work with, and the little bit I've seen of the release so far they for the first time in ages did not mangle it between tech demo and release.
  
  Just like so many things Microsoft has switched on that should not be, a line has been crossed with Windows 10 that should have happened ages ago and went under the radar till now.
  
  Hopefully SP1 includes installation steps to walk you through configuring your privacy options before allowing you to use the OS, that way people using Windows 10 have an easy method to disable features they don't want during setup.
• Drizzit wrote on 2015-08-29 05:49
  When I updated, I just made sure to turn off anything that sends data to Microsoft, except error reporting. Easy peasy.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2015-09-10 07:41
  More problems discovered with Windows 10 - Activity Reports is enable by default for any users who have a registered family account. Rather than simply blocking unapproved activity, this feature sends a site-by-site breakdown of everything the child or teen does on the computer straight to their parents. While you can argue 'child safety' or whatever, the destruction of privacy here is pretty hardcore. Oh? You think you might be gay and are looking up information? BAM now your parents know. Oh? You're being abused and trying to find support online? BAM now your parents know you tried to snitch on them. Oh? You have a fetish for grandmas? BAM now your parents know. And it even lists how many times each site was viewed, so you can't play it off as accidental or not knowing what the site was.
  
  The main problem with all these shitty features being enabled by default is how it seems like they tried to sneak them in. They aren't mentioned, and the average user isn't going to realize they're enabled or how to turn them off because they've buried the option so deep. Plus you know, the whole invasion of privacy thing.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-09-10 11:16
  That's all well and good but I still feel you are making mountains out of mole hills and I still have beef with your thread title. So far Windows 10 has been going up in adoption rate, not down.
  
  Secondly, while there is some truth to these privacy concerns, as a child you have very little to no privacy. Parents always have a way of finding stuff out no matter how much you try and hide it regardless of this extra feature.
  
  As an adult, that feature doesn't really bother me too much and I enjoy Windows 10 as is.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-09-11 05:17

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1286220:

  More problems discovered with Windows 10 - Activity Reports is enable by default for any users who have a registered family account. Rather than simply blocking unapproved activity, this feature sends a site-by-site breakdown of everything the child or teen does on the computer straight to their parents. While you can argue 'child safety' or whatever, the destruction of privacy here is pretty hardcore. Oh? You think you might be gay and are looking up information? BAM now your parents know. Oh? You're being abused and trying to find support online? BAM now your parents know you tried to snitch on them. Oh? You have a fetish for grandmas? BAM now your parents know. And it even lists how many times each site was viewed, so you can't play it off as accidental or not knowing what the site was.
  
  The main problem with all these shitty features being enabled by default is how it seems like they tried to sneak them in. They aren't mentioned, and the average user isn't going to realize they're enabled or how to turn them off because they've buried the option so deep. Plus you know, the whole invasion of privacy thing.

  
  
  Da fuq. I support this 100% thx windows.
  
  Musta sucked if you ever went to a doctor when you were under 18. "Please don't tell my parents", "ok", *tells parents anyway*.
  
  Welcome to life
• Jiangshi wrote on 2015-09-12 22:22

  Quote from Aubog007;1286306:

  Da fuq. I support this 100% thx windows.
  
  Musta sucked if you ever went to a doctor when you were under 18. "Please don't tell my parents", "ok", *tells parents anyway*.
  
  Welcome to life

  
  Only if HIPAA classifies them as their personal representative, and the parents request that information.
• Twin wrote on 2015-09-12 22:57
  ''The human way of doing things.''
  
  :thumb:
• Taycat wrote on 2015-09-13 04:14
  They also attempted to push an update into Windows 7 that did this same thing. Good thing people figured out which updates did that.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-09-13 13:13

  Quote from Taycat;1286381:

  They also attempted to push an update into Windows 7 that did this same thing. Good thing people figured out which updates did that.

  
  
  Except if you have parents that care enough about that, they can install those updates themselves.