What is the Highest Damage Possible in Mabinogi?

• Kaga wrote on 2016-01-15 12:08

  Quote from Syliara;1292806:

  FH CD reforge not that hard to find in shops on Alexina kinda cheap lately cause of gachas spitting out r1 gear. WotG duration reforge might take a bit but not that bad to get. Fh Duration pretty common at this point could probably find it pretty easily. Getting a half decent song overture is extremely easy and can be done in half a day honestly.
  
  In the end, a player looking to clear content easily in all aspects of the game will probably work on at least a half baked fh set and might work on a gunner set because of how useful it is. Fh is honestly 100% more useful than blaze is considering its versatility, damage, speed, and ease of access so most people would want to at least work on a decent set for fh.
  
  In the end it doesnt matter I guess, content can be cleared with almost every skill or skillset. It just depends on how much faster or more efficient you want to clear it that determines what you would want to use at this point.

  
  
  If FH gets nerf'ed, people will cry again because their whole gear is based around it. And yes FH is op now, it's actually too OP, that's why people want it to be nerf'ed.
  
  Then again this thread is about damage as far as I know, that's why I mentioned if you have really high blaze damage, you could easily n+blaze mobs in elite missions. People don't do that not just because FH exists, but they don't know blaze has sick potential too.
• imahobo wrote on 2016-01-15 12:13

  Quote from Kaga;1292808:

  If FH gets nerf'ed, people will cry again because their whole gear is based around it. And yes FH is op now, it's actually too OP, that's why people want it to be nerf'ed.
  
  Then again this thread is about damage as far as I know, that's why I mentioned if you have really high blaze damage, you could easily n+blaze mobs in elite missions. People don't do that not just because FH exists, but they don't know blaze has sick potential too.

  
  
  I saw your vids of you blazing on YouTube and I'm wondering if you can easily kill mobs in sm? and if drop kick is the same too after using lullaby on mobs etc.
• Kaga wrote on 2016-01-15 12:23

  Quote from imahobo;1292809:

  I saw your vids of you blazing on YouTube and I'm wondering if you can easily kill mobs in sm? and if drop kick is the same too after using lullaby on mobs etc.

  
  
  Yes. My blaze videos aren't updated yet. I will update it soon though (made a huge progress)
  
  I believe dropkick can do the same too, even without lullaby, as long as you have splash damage and splash range.
• ironwoman wrote on 2016-01-15 13:22
  You *can* use blaze on basically everything, but when it comes to contents other than shadow missions, there are plenty other alternatives that turn out to be safer and better, including range.
  
  I highly doubt you're going to be able get a good blaze off in Alban S or SS 3rd and 4th floors. Yes, the potential damage is high, but the usability and viability is limited. Also anything blaze can do, so can Lightning Rod, and even better and easier as well.
• Kaga wrote on 2016-01-15 13:24

  Quote from ironwoman;1292811:

  You *can* use blaze on basically everything, but when it comes to contents other than shadow missions, there are plenty other alternatives that turn out to be safer and better, including range.
  
  I highly doubt you're going to be able get a good blaze off in Alban S or SS 3rd and 4th floors. Yes, the potential damage is high, but the usability and viability is limited. Also anything blaze can do, so can Lightning Rod, and even better and easier as well.

  
  
  By the time you try to use FH you will get your butt 1 hitted and die. Same goes for magnum (even if you used lullaby) because magnum has a small splash damage/range.
  
  I rather use MAGIC in Alban if anything (like fireball, firebolt), and blaze is actually useful if you are with someone else, you could easily lull + crisis and blaze.
  
  Lightning Rod is good, but it has a long cool down and its a straight aoe skill, it doesn't have an explosion that could kill all of the mobs around in that "room".
• ironwoman wrote on 2016-01-15 13:54
  Clearly you haven't used range in Alban...
  
  Reason why some people are able to get away with FH in Alban is because of rain cast and MS. In this scenario, this is actually one of the fastest ways to kill mobs. Floor 3 and 4? Long range attacks are necessary, and by the way, you can also kill these things before they get to you with crit magnum, and if no crit, two magnums and few AR shots will do. I'm not sure how much damage you're doing to be even considering the mobs to get to you, but realistically speaking, with ER bow (which you should really have if you're running Alban S or SS), you can shoot from far away enough for the aggro to be not an issue and still have enough damage to kill them. Rain cast makes this even easier.
  
  While magic is good in Alban, I'm still not an advocate of Blaze in Alban. Crisis and blaze? Have you actually considered the mobs in alban? First off, insta aggro. The gremlins will definitely notice you even with rain cast, and the only way to shake that off under cloud is to use Crisis Escape or Shadow Cloak. And good luck using Crisis on mummies, those things will definitely get pulled in. I could see blaze being ok in the Avon room, but that's about it. Even for that, you can just use couple Meteor Strike. Lightning Rod is generally favored because it doesn't require as much set up as a blaze would, as well as not pulling aggro.
• Kaga wrote on 2016-01-15 14:03

  Quote from ironwoman;1292813:

  Clearly you haven't used range in Alban...
  
  Reason why some people are able to get away with FH in Alban is because of rain cast and MS. In this scenario, this is actually one of the fastest ways to kill mobs. Floor 3 and 4? Long range attacks are necessary, and by the way, you can also kill these things before they get to you with crit magnum, and if no crit, two magnums and few AR shots will do. I'm not sure how much damage you're doing to be even considering the mobs to get to you, but realistically speaking, with ER bow (which you should really have if you're running Alban S or SS), you can shoot from far away enough for the aggro to be not an issue and still have enough damage to kill them. Rain cast makes this even easier.
  
  While magic is good in Alban, I'm still not an advocate of Blaze in Alban. Crisis and blaze? Have you actually considered the mobs in alban? First off, insta aggro. The gremlins will definitely notice you even with rain cast, and the only way to shake that off under cloud is to use Crisis Escape or Shadow Cloak. And good luck using Crisis on mummies, those things will definitely get pulled in. I could see blaze being ok in the Avon room, but that's about it. Even for that, you can just use couple Meteor Strike. Lightning Rod is generally favored because it doesn't require as much set up as a blaze would, as well as not pulling aggro.

  
  
  There is something called lullaby, which I already mentioned before. We also did Alban Hard S on the day it came out, and I went with blaze (and other magic skills) This isn't just some kind of theory, this has been already done.
  
  I rather use Firebolt (which doesn't even need any damage reforge beside of cast spd) instead having a gear that I made by spending a lot of $$$ just to magnum or "crash shot".
• imahobo wrote on 2016-01-15 14:08

  Quote from ironwoman;1292813:

  Clearly you haven't used range in Alban...
  
  Reason why some people are able to get away with FH in Alban is because of rain cast and MS. In this scenario, this is actually one of the fastest ways to kill mobs. Floor 3 and 4? Long range attacks are necessary, and by the way, you can also kill these things before they get to you with crit magnum, and if no crit, two magnums and few AR shots will do. I'm not sure how much damage you're doing to be even considering the mobs to get to you, but realistically speaking, with ER bow (which you should really have if you're running Alban S or SS), you can shoot from far away enough for the aggro to be not an issue and still have enough damage to kill them. Rain cast makes this even easier.
  
  While magic is good in Alban, I'm still not an advocate of Blaze in Alban. Crisis and blaze? Have you actually considered the mobs in alban? First off, insta aggro. The gremlins will definitely notice you even with rain cast, and the only way to shake that off under cloud is to use Crisis Escape or Shadow Cloak. And good luck using Crisis on mummies, those things will definitely get pulled in. I could see blaze being ok in the Avon room, but that's about it. Even for that, you can just use couple Meteor Strike. Lightning Rod is generally favored because it doesn't require as much set up as a blaze would, as well as not pulling aggro.

  
  
  Not many people main Alban as much as normal shadow missions. You can still die while using FH in Alban, even in basic if you're using focused rainbow beams (for me at least).
  The reason why I think Blaze is more better is also because you can use that in missions and you'll be able to finish the mission faster if you have someone to crisis (that's what I think Kaga meant, since he have someone to crisis? maybe?). And if I were to go for close combat only, by the time I can use FH again, others would've finished the other rooms.
  
  You gotta realise that this thread is about damage.. not about what skills are useful in what type of missions.
• ironwoman wrote on 2016-01-15 14:15
  Most of the times, Lullaby won't put everything to sleep, and this especially becomes an issue in 3rd and 4th floors, where mobs (especially gremlins) will notice you right away. In SS modes, where most of the times, monsters' damages are amplified, you can't just walk off after tanking one or two hits, you will most likely be dead. And hence rain cast. Like I said you still can't crisis, and you need the ALL the mobs to be asleep before you can use blaze. So setting up for blaze isn't a fun process in Alban, and you definitely can't use Crisis. Under these conditions, having rain casting, using Crisis Escape to dodge initial aggro, then double Fireball or Crash Shots from farther away are the more practical and viable ways.
  
  I'm not saying you can't Blaze, but if you're going to argue that Blaze is more practical than Lightning Rod, Fireball, or range in Alban, then there is a problem, because even range has less set up than Blaze would.
  
  As for Firebolt vs Range issue, that's situational and personal preference. In 50% max Alban, Firebolt can prove to be useful, but otherwise, it depends on one's own investment. I honestly have enough investment in range and gears to go toe-to-toe with Firebolt users, quite often out DPS them.
• Kaga wrote on 2016-01-15 14:16

  Quote from ironwoman;1292816:

  Most of the times, Lullaby won't put everything to sleep, and this especially becomes an issue in 3rd and 4th floors, where mobs (especially gremlins) will notice you right away. In SS modes, where most of the times, monsters' damages are amplified, you can't just walk off after tanking one or two hits, you will most likely be dead. And hence rain cast. Like I said you still can't crisis, and you need the ALL the mobs to be asleep before you can use blaze. So setting up for blaze isn't a fun process in Alban, and you definitely can't use Crisis. Under these conditions, having rain casting, using Crisis Escape to dodge initial aggro, then double Fireball or Crash Shots from farther away are the more practical and viable ways.
  
  I'm not saying you can't Blaze, but if you're going to argue that Blaze is more practical than Lightning Rod, Fireball, or range in Alban, then there is a problem, because even range has less set up than Blaze would.
  
  As for Firebolt vs Range issue, that's situational and personal preference. In 50% max Alban, Firebolt can prove to be useful, but otherwise, it depends on one's own investment. I honestly have enough investment in range and gears to go toe-to-toe with Firebolt users, quite often out DPS them.

  
  
  I guess it wasn't hard for me to lullaby then, considering I am an elf, and I can easily re-hide and lullaby.
  
  
  

  Quote from ironwoman;1292816:

  I honestly have enough investment in range and gears to go toe-to-toe with Firebolt users, quite often out DPS them.

  
  
  Not everyone does though, which brings us back why you need to invest so much money/time/gold for Archery compared to firebolt/blaze and other skill/sets.
• imahobo wrote on 2016-01-16 02:42

  Quote from ironwoman;1292816:

  Most of the times, Lullaby won't put everything to sleep, and this especially becomes an issue in 3rd and 4th floors, where mobs (especially gremlins) will notice you right away. In SS modes, where most of the times, monsters' damages are amplified, you can't just walk off after tanking one or two hits, you will most likely be dead. And hence rain cast. Like I said you still can't crisis, and you need the ALL the mobs to be asleep before you can use blaze. So setting up for blaze isn't a fun process in Alban, and you definitely can't use Crisis. Under these conditions, having rain casting, using Crisis Escape to dodge initial aggro, then double Fireball or Crash Shots from farther away are the more practical and viable ways.
  
  I'm not saying you can't Blaze, but if you're going to argue that Blaze is more practical than Lightning Rod, Fireball, or range in Alban, then there is a problem, because even range has less set up than Blaze would.
  
  As for Firebolt vs Range issue, that's situational and personal preference. In 50% max Alban, Firebolt can prove to be useful, but otherwise, it depends on one's own investment. I honestly have enough investment in range and gears to go toe-to-toe with Firebolt users, quite often out DPS them.

  
  
  If it costs THAT MUCH to invest for a perfect (or really good/decent) archer gears just to be op in magnum and crash shot, I might as well throw my money and time onto mage skills. At least that's better and I only need to aim for magic attack to use the mage skills instead (like fireball, firebolt, blaze, meteor strike etc.) The safest way for me in Alban is to lullaby the mobs, then crisis escape, lullaby again then kill the left overs that aren't asleep then fireball twice. With the left overs, I would use my AoE pets by then and it would clear the room/spawn.
  2nd spawn, I'll meteor strike, or do the same.
  
  Crash shot seems a little too risky knowing you're far away from the mobs, but there's a chance you'll miss it OR it didn't kill the bunch you attacked and after using crisis escape and do it again, mobs will run towards you. I doubt some people have effe range reforges on their bow WITH another archer reforge soo..
  
  Mages have more skills than archery so imo, I rather go for mage than archery since I'll only need magic attack on my gears to be able to deal damage in any skills compared to archery.
  
  And by what Kaga meant, he probably meant he rather finish the run quick than hiding and killing them one by one (or playing it the safe way). Because people rarely do Alban (besides for the enchants and the emblems etc), I rather aim for a talent that is/are useful in other runs too, besides raids and girg.
  Archery isn't the thing for me in this game because of the NA speed we have, and I'm not in NA, I rather go for something that I can deal damage WITHOUT having great speed.
  
  Fighter is good for me because I have been using it since I came back to this game and most people use fighter in pvp too.
  
  Final hit is good too, but I don't want to see people who focused entirely on final hit to cry if it gets nerf'd one day, which is why I am avoiding final hit and only spam that in Alban (without any final hit gears), else I use mage and fighter with my merlins.
  
  ps. reason why I asked about magnum damage isn't because I meant 'how useful it is in a dungeon/run' but just the actual damage itself.