Quote from Kingofrunes;1295540:
I think the RNG grind aspect of Mabinogi is bullshit is my two cents on the issue and is my most hated part of Mabinogi.
Increase the rate of everything or give more worthwhile filler rewards. I'm not wasting hours upon hours on a dungeon and getting nothing but shit as a reward.
I can see that the RNG in this game can be ridiculous for some players, and I don't blame you, people have different preferences.
However, don't you think just putting the enchant in the gacha was a bit too far? Especially considering that there will be more options to obtain the enchant in the future? Also worth considering that in the future contents, there are "filler" rewards.
Quote from Honey;1295541:
I think enchants like Backbreaking should not be included in the gachapon since it just makes the game more pay2win. However, the chance to get Backbreaking from WD raids are incredibly low, and it's pretty much at a rate where you probably won't even get one, even if you spammed WD daily. I'm a bit indifferent about the enchants being implemented into the gachapon, but I sort of wished they did not add endgame enchants in. But on the positive side, at least more people will have the enchant now.
Low? Yes. Incredibly low? Debatable, up to different standards.
And I don't think more people having the enchant is a "positive side", the enchant itself was meant to be a reward for people who have the patience to spam the contents, not through your credit card.
Quote from callback;1295545:
Not any worse than 67th...
I'm mostly upset about 67th being so mandatory tho.
67th is only considered mandatory for lances, and a lot of the times, people will settle for Girgashiy ES instead.
Also, the difference is that before 67th came out, the enchant didn't exist (we;;, duh). But Backbreaking, while being rare, was not an enchant that you would go through your game career without seeing.
Quote from Tetosan;1295547:
Not with that name, but they could make a Dummy Enchant entry and reinplement it....
I'm indifferent about that honestly, We have Reforges which are already Pay2Win so the Enchant only gives the whole thing the kick in the nuts honestly.
Differences to consider:
Reforges start to kick in when you have the base numbers to work with. For example, FH CD/Duration 20 won't do you much good if you don't have the base damages to work with. You're not gonna run around with 700 max with the said reforges and say that you won the game.
Backbreaking, on the other hand, is the reward you get as a process of repetition of contents and the patience needed to do so, in order to optimize your character better for whatever reforge you're utilizing.
That being said, that sort of enchant is meant to be a content reward, not paypal reward. Especially with the upcoming contents that contain the reward, I'm really questioning NA Nexon's actions.
Quote from wimpyshrimpy;1295550:
With a decreasing mabi population, they're probably trying to add in more practical, end-game items to the cash shop to attract sales. Personally I find it irritating since it encourages pay-to-win but I don't blame Nexon for "trying".
It might be a different story though if they implemented pre-enchanted items outside the original enchant's medium(s) (i.e. Allegro or Avenger enchanted accessories).
While I can see that, and it may seem like "trying", but there could have been better way to handle the population issue...
The enchanted items, I actually don't have much problem with since other servers get it too (and sometimes better than ours)
Quote from Rydian;1295553:
Yeah, gachas devalued things like smithing and magic crafting celtic weapons already so...
Magic crafted weapons weren't that much when they first came out to begin with.
Also, there are still items that are demanded from smithing, since the best grade CRKS will not come from gachas.
But, the main difference is that the Celtic gears, while being fairly difficult to make, many would consider it an actually viable option. In comparison, if you were to be suggested to obtaining Backbreaking, many people would be hesitant and they consider it too low of a chance. That being said, the enchant was one of the things that still exist in the game known as a real content reward.
Quote from Intimacy;1295559:
This wasn't the straw to break the camels back, I think this was more along the lines of the anvil that crushed the camels head, said camel was already resting in a 64 foot deep grave.
In my opinion the final straw that broke the camels back was s/r5-6 upgrades and restored whitehorse clothing being added to the gacha, it set in motion the unrelenting gear grind and gacha spam for power that to this day has only been worse and worse to the point you can't do endgame content without sinking hundreds/thousands of dollars into the game or tens of thousands of hours.
Endgame is one thing yes, but making the wall for endgame literally thousands of dollars, or non stop YEARS of playing is quite horrid, look at the work and effort or money that is required to do anything more than be a burden for stuff that was endgame years ago.
Besides maplestory and a handful of other games NOTHING at endgame requires that much pay to win. They sealed their own fate years ago, i'm still surprised ANYONE is upset about anything this company does cash shop wise anymore.
It's because this enchant wasn't something that you get by paying, it was what you get from RNG. You could be a total level 500 newbie running around with a Highlander Claymore and get like 1.4k points in the WD raid, and you still had the same chance of getting the enchant. The game told you, "look, as long as you consistently do the WD raid, someday you can get the enchant". For obtaining Backbreaking, there was no wall limiting you from getting the enchant. Being endgame in this game is costly, yes, but Backbreaking has nothing to do with that cost (at least in terms of real life money)
I'm mainly surprised by this decision because no other foreign server decided to do this, not even the Taiwan server.
But good to hear what all of you had to say, it's nice to see other people's views on this issue.