wind heal video request

• Chillax wrote on 2010-09-16 03:42

  Quote from bebepanales;157461:

  yeah... not everyone can afford rank 1 thunder :P

  
  
  But you can afford a decently-ranked Icebolt or Firebolt.
• Chiri wrote on 2010-09-16 04:19

  Windheal's for reducing potion consumption.

  
  
  Not at ... all.
  Windheal is so you can spam consecutive WMs while keeping a high defense and potting like a mad man when heal is up.
  If you used heal on yourself, you'd drain your stam and lose the defense.
• Cryosite wrote on 2010-09-16 07:21
  chiri, it's to reduce potion use by raising your defense. not to heal yourself with. only people who can't read are thinking that.
  
  and everyone can afford rk1 thunder. It's a powerful skill. ap is not wasted learning it.
• Chiri wrote on 2010-09-16 07:47
  You can't read. I said healing yourself would be a waste.
  
  When you have 5 charges, you have more defense.
  You can pot when you have heal up.
  You still pot a crap load before getting hit.
  When you get hit, you avoid dying due to +def.
  Then you load WM, rinse and repeat.
  
  Did you see the video? Guy got himself pot-poisoned.
  
  
  Maybe you'd be saving potions if you're a high level character with high defense, but for a younger player trying to take down a gorgon room, the purpose is to allow yourself the chance to pot, and not WM yourself into deadly.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-09-16 07:55
  lol owned.
  
  good job chiri
• Cryosite wrote on 2010-09-16 08:44
  that chiri owned himself? good job indeed.
  
  I wasn't saying chiri couldn't read. I was questioning why he or she was even making that correction, since no one was saying that you should heal yourself with with the heal spell. The saving on pots comes from having higher defense. higher defense=less damage taken=less to potion usage. That's all that was being said.
  
  The person who couldn't read was several pages ago, and was already informed of their mistake. No one else here is talking about using healing on themselves, so the only one not reading properly now is chiri, for trying to correct that which isn't wrong.
• Chiri wrote on 2010-09-16 09:00
  I still don't think you can read. If Bebepanales doesn't want to invest in Thunder, or Defense for that matter, she doesn't have to if she can get by with tactics using the skills she already has. And I'm female, fyi.
  
  
  What's wrong with correcting something that was never addressed? It's a forum, people are allowed to discuss.
  Despite the reasoning behind WH being stated before, it's a lie to say the purpose of WH is to save potions.
  
  The purpose of WH is to prevent death in multiaggro situations by pot spamming.
• bebepanales wrote on 2010-09-16 17:49

  Quote from Chiri;157869:

  I still don't think you can read. If Bebepanales doesn't want to invest in Thunder, or Defense for that matter, she doesn't have to if she can get by with tactics using the skills she already has. And I'm female, fyi.
  
  
  What's wrong with correcting something that was never addressed? It's a forum, people are allowed to discuss.
  Despite the reasoning behind WH being stated before, it's a lie to say the purpose of WH is to save potions.
  
  The purpose of WH is to prevent death in multiaggro situations by pot spamming.
  
  
  Maybe you'd be saving potions if you're a high level character with high defense, but for a younger player trying to take down a gorgon room, the purpose is to allow yourself the chance to pot, and not WM yourself into deadly.

  
  
  
  this method for newbs at gorgons does make sense i suppose. but newbs usually don't use any strategy at all.
  btw im not a low lvl character :D
  <-- my mabi icon
  and... i have r5 def and r5 thunder, and a fully upgraded val. in the video, if you see the beginning, sky takes off his armor just to emphasize how it works.
  this was hardmode.
  
  i dont know why anyone would even bring up healing themselves in this thread when windheal doesn't incorporate that.
  windheal does save pots: you cant spam wm on shiprats when you solo; they'll hit you after your first wm. if you dont load heal, you'll lose more hp, meaning you'll have to pot more. if you use windheal, however, they take off less hp so you do in fact save some pots.
  
  anyways, the purpose of windheal is not to save yourself pots (even though it does do that for you), it is a method to keep yourself alive during aggressive multiaggro situations where wm spamming is difficult to accomplish
• Chillax wrote on 2010-09-16 18:03
  So can we at least get to a consensus that magic>melee against BSRs?
• bebepanales wrote on 2010-09-16 18:06

  Quote from Chillax;158000:

  So can we at least get to a consensus that magic>melee against BSRs?

  
  
  duh. if you have a cc4 wand. or rank 1 adv magic.
  i abhor wand repairs. i can't imagine trying to repair a cc4 ice wand. plus stew fails a lot.
• Chillax wrote on 2010-09-16 18:17

  Quote from bebepanales;158004:

  duh. if you have a cc4 wand. or rank 1 adv magic.
  i abhor wand repairs. i can't imagine trying to repair a cc4 ice wand. plus stew fails a lot.

  
  
  You could always use the hide in corner+magic counter technique. I believe you had r1 Firebolt, so if you're really insistent on not using wands, you could start off with a fully-charged Firebolt then switch to Fire or Ice Counter if your Icebolt is high enough. If you're surrounded by rats, having a pet out could draw some aggro while you try to find a safe corner when you don't want to utilize pet swiping.
• bebepanales wrote on 2010-09-16 18:29

  Quote from Chillax;158015:

  You could always use the hide in corner+magic counter technique. I believe you had r1 Firebolt, so if you're really insistent on not using wands, you could start off with a fully-charged Firebolt then switch to Fire or Ice Counter if your Icebolt is high enough. If you're surrounded by rats, having a pet out could draw some aggro while you try to find a safe corner when you don't want to utilize pet swiping.

  
  
  yeah i try to do that first, but i somehow manage to draw aggro a lot xD
  i need your ninjaing skills dduudee.
  
  ah but thanks for the idea of starting off with a full firebolt. i always just started with 2 ices lul.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-09-16 18:39

  Quote from bebepanales;157985:

  this method for newbs at gorgons does make sense i suppose. but newbs usually don't use any strategy at all.
  btw im not a low lvl character :D
  <-- my mabi icon
  and... i have r5 def and r5 thunder, and a fully upgraded val. in the video, if you see the beginning, sky takes off his armor just to emphasize how it works.
  this was hardmode.
  
  i dont know why anyone would even bring up healing themselves in this thread when windheal doesn't incorporate that.
  windheal does save pots: you cant spam wm on shiprats when you solo; they'll hit you after your first wm. if you dont load heal, you'll lose more hp, meaning you'll have to pot more. if you use windheal, however, they take off less hp so you do in fact save some pots.
  
  anyways, the purpose of windheal is not to save yourself pots (even though it does do that for you), it is a method to keep yourself alive during aggressive multiaggro situations where wm spamming is difficult to accomplish

  
  
  pot spam without healing on -> death
  pot spam with healing on -> a bit of survival rate.
• bebepanales wrote on 2010-09-16 18:47

  Quote from abc33kr;158027:

  pot spam without healing on -> death
  pot spam with healing on -> a bit of survival rate.

  
  
  if you start off with a decent chunk of hp you still have a chance without healing on. im talking about the first barrage of hits if you have upgraded armor and decent def. in sky's video he didnt have armor on.
• Cryosite wrote on 2010-09-16 21:40

  Quote from Chillax;158000:

  So can we at least get to a consensus that magic>melee against BSRs?

  
  
  Yes.
  
  Naked, no wand, and rk1 ice you can solo rundel/siren (perhaps even hard) with 0 deaths. Rk Firebolt and Lightning Bolt make the job even easier, as does cc wand for ice and/or fire. Thunder is very doable even hardmode siren.
  
  Melee needs a lot of strength, rk1 wm, cm, etc. to try to get enough damage to one shot non-hardmode bsr's with a crit, or 2-3 noncrit mills. Tactics like windheal were developed as a stop-gap measure to try and overcome WM's inherant weakness as a move when used against them. Magic, even basic bolts, rips the little bugger's hp to shreds, with no pd lowering the damage. Magic simply is the more efficient method of killing them, and why hybrid builds are superior to pures.
  
  Don't get me wrong, WM is still the winmill skill. That it can even be used at all in this situation shows that, but it is not the best skill to use in every situation, there are exceptions. This is one of them.