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Yanm wrote on 2010-09-15 22:13
Hello everyone. Ever since I first got my ego, it was a Bipennis. I looked at the stats of gladius and bipennis when I first got it and thought I liked the Bipennis better. There's not that big of a difference with the max damage, and bipennis has more crit, and is unique, which I like. That was before I knew a lot about mabinogi, like I do now and knew how strong dual-wield is. I killed my Bipennis ego about 2-3 weeks ago to change the name, but her stats weren't impressive at all. Now, I did some calculations and if I did them right, then....(calculates again)
Gladius ego maxed w/ Battle Sword (trying to put that in real terms, not just made up) 100(base), +145+76=321*5=1605
Bipennis maxed=100+134=234*5=1170;
crit smash with Gladius=4012;
Bipennis crit smash=2925.
WM with Gladius=802, crit=2005?.
WM with Bipennis=585, crit=1462?.
Yeah.....I didn't realize the difference in damage was going to be THAT big. However, My Bipennis currently only has level 20 str and almost level 14 social. I made it for the reasons I stated when I started this post, the looks, the ego is actually nice, and being "unique". Well, now that I look at it, I feel like I really messed up...Then I did a calculation if I had 200 base damage+Champion maxed out trans, and...I believe I got a 4.1k crit smash with Bipennis, and around 5.7k with the Gladius, and what annoyed me was that my guild leader has a ego dustin, and if he maxed it out and had the 334 base damage without his ego, and then added a maxed one, I'm seeing 6.1k, 2k more than me...if I did it right that is. I also looked at the Mastery skills, and...when I looked at Axe Mastery, I thought I should keep it, but looking at Sword Mastery, both swords gain a bonus right? Even if only one did, that would still keep my ego outclassed
Now, I'm wondering if I should delete this ego and make a new one. I would miss her though, going from a Hinata Hyuga to Shaymin Land Form. If I were to make a new ego, it's either a gladius, or I might get a bow and go for a Crossbow or a Ring Bow, or maybe some kind of 2handed sword, seeing as how the smash is stronger, and the wm is weaker, but not by like a big 1k difference I think at least....besides, I do like being in control of a battle. Or maybe I should keep the Bipennis and continue to be unique, yet fail? Thanks for the help.
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Rebel wrote on 2010-09-16 05:37
So much red text @_@
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Cryosite wrote on 2010-09-16 07:25
If you like being unique, stick with it. But it's mostly only you that will enjoy it if so... I know I've seen the rare bipennis with ego glow on it, and just facepalmed and thought to myself "wtf? fail..." (not intending to be directed at you... but that is an honest reaction I've had in the past.)
Honestly though.. the biggest drawback of the bipi... 6 freaking inventory slots?
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Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-16 09:11
Spirit weapon
One-handed sword: Gladius
Two-handed sword: Dustin Silver Knight Sword, Two-handed sword
One-handed blunt: Iron Mace, Mace
Two-handed blunt: Broad Axe, Battle Hammer
Ranged weapon: Ring Bow, Wing Bow, Leather Long Bow, Crossbow
Wand: Fire wand
Kill the Bipennis.
If you have 300 million gold to blow on the Sword of Elsinore in G13, ego a Gladius. Otherwise you should create a spirit Dustin Silver Knight Sword/Two-handed sword.
If ranged combat is your thing,
Wing Bow (149 ADACT, 2600 range, Fast speed, slow stun)
Ring Bow (151 ADACT, 2400 range, Normal speed, very slow stun)
Leather Leather Bow (147 ADACT, 2500 range, Slow speed, slow stun)
Crossbow (145 ADACT, 1800 range, Normal speed, normal stun, mobility, no campfire bonus)
The only decent spirit wand is the fire wand. Want some advice? Chaincast firebolt is outclassed.
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Yanm wrote on 2010-09-16 21:08
Quote from Kaeporo;157870:
Spirit weapon
One-handed sword: Gladius
Two-handed sword: Dustin Silver Knight Sword, Two-handed sword
One-handed blunt: Iron Mace, Mace
Two-handed blunt: Broad Axe, Battle Hammer
Ranged weapon: Ring Bow, Wing Bow, Leather Long Bow, Crossbow
Wand: Fire wand
Kill the Bipennis.
If you have 300 million gold to blow on the Sword of Elsinore in G13, ego a Gladius. Otherwise you should create a spirit Dustin Silver Knight Sword/Two-handed sword.
If ranged combat is your thing,
Wing Bow (149 ADACT, 2600 range, Fast speed, slow stun)
Ring Bow (151 ADACT, 2400 range, Normal speed, very slow stun)
Leather Leather Bow (147 ADACT, 2500 range, Slow speed, slow stun)
Crossbow (145 ADACT, 1800 range, Normal speed, normal stun, mobility, no campfire bonus)
The only decent spirit wand is the fire wand. Want some advice? Chaincast firebolt is outclassed,
*remembers seeing all of this stuff before* I wouldn't get a wand ego, as magic isn't my specialty. nor would I get a Two-Handed Sword ego, as the low crit irritates me, cause critical rate ranks among my favorite stats in MMORPGS. Aside from that, I believe I'll get a ego Glad, but I'm curious as to your reason why you say a ego Dustin/Two Handed over a ego Gladius. Also......it's hard trying to choose between a red blade, blade handle, or black blade, red handle.
@Adori, sorry about that...it's the text I chose. It's either that or yellow I guess. Show me a red and black text and I'll immediately change it :thumb:
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Cryosite wrote on 2010-09-16 22:27
Quote from Yanm;158209:
*remembers seeing all of this stuff before*
Probably the result of "egoz, wut?" threads being among the most common ones started. At least yours is... sorta different. His text is pretty clearly copy/pasted, probably saved on a notepad as "generic answer to ego question threads on forums"
Ego weapons are not that complicated, really. The costs are huge, but most people get one anyway. If you're going to get one, make sure it will do something for you worth the enormous costs. Then plan to be poor for a long time, or have an ego that doesn't grow.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-09-17 01:09
For one-handed sword egos, you get better WM damage. For Two-handed sword egos, you get better smash damage and longer WM stun.
That is the major difference between the two. Which do you like more? Smash or WM?
As weapon enchants get better, the damage of Sword+Ego grows while two-hander egos don't.
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Cryosite wrote on 2010-09-17 04:14
Not to mention G13 will be bringing us a way to further push the power of non-ego weapons, but essentially adding another upgrade on top of gem upgrades. Supposed to be a pretty substantial one too. Currently called "Reinforcing" or "Tempering" I believe. Can be done up to 3 times according to some videos, and even adds a glow to the weapon (or perhaps only to the trinity staff, did not see videos showing the process being done to other weapons).
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sakraycore wrote on 2010-09-17 17:37
What is ADACT?
Oh and just get gladius if you really like critical then. There's really no right/wrong here.
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Yanm wrote on 2010-09-19 19:29
I've been thinking about which weapon to ego now between a Dustin and a Glad and.....you guessed it! Still can't decide lol. I've used a Dragon Blade majority of my mabi life for normal weapon and recently started dual-wielding like 2 months ago. The downside of the dustin is the Nx to repair...I mean, my bday was the 17th and I still have 92k Nx left (got 100k myself and 20k from 2 guildies), which Im going to spend slowly, but....that'll be gone eventually and if I did get a Dustin, when it's usable, I'd have to use it rarely I guess. The only problem would be if I used it TOO much and it's dur goes down the drain. On the other hand, I could probably prof 3-5 Glads on Thursday and use the Glad ego all the time, except in really weak dungeons/sm's. I guess it comes down to whether or not I want to use my ego all the time. It'd make sense to only bust it out when I'm fighting a boss, or say, if I was a Royal and doing a g11 Final Hardmode, or doing one of those secret Shadow Missions. Mostly, I really do like the stun of 2handed weapons compared to Dual-Wield, but repairing again is the issue.
Oh, I almost forgot. Why don't I just ego a Two-Hander? 17% crit......yeah, no thanks. I want a Dustin or Masamune for the higher crit, along with the fact that once I finish my armor set, it'll add 53 max and 25% crit. That'll push my base around 51% then add Dustin/Masamune crit and I reach close to the 90s and that'll make critting Hardmode SM monsters that much easier. I could reach that same with a ego Glad, but the stun, along with the fact that I wanted to use a Hatchet (Go to the wiki and look at the highest damage with the coupon, then add Berserk and Caliburn AND Axe Mastery and you'll see why I wanted to use that) with a shield....I'm babbling too much. Let me sum this all up: I like the look of a 2handed sword on my back, along with the stun, and not having to have an extra weapon to upgrade and enchant. The downside is I won't be able to use it all the time, and would probably only do it for Bosses, but hey....egos should probably only be used at bosses huh? The ups of a glad are that I could use it whenever I wanted, really. That's the only thing stopping me from egoing the Dustin or Masamune. The cheap repairs and what not. Ok, I'm done....I typed too much I think......
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sakraycore wrote on 2010-09-19 20:05
If you want to use your ego all the time you'll probably have to repair with NX pots anyways.
I don't see why crit is such a big deal though, windmill ignores prot so it's just smash, but 2h has a higher damage with smash anyways to overcome that somewhat.
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Yanm wrote on 2010-09-19 21:45
Quote from sakraycore;160430:
If you want to use your ego all the time you'll probably have to repair with NX pots anyways.
I don't see why crit is such a big deal though, windmill ignores prot so it's just smash, but 2h has a higher damage with smash anyways to overcome that somewhat.
Well...to answer that, I mostly run Shadow Missions only, hardly ever do any dungeons, unless it's a Ciar Adv. With my set up, I'll have the minimum to do a crit smash in Hardmode SM's, and the more crit, the better so I can cap my chance on any SM monster with 30% prot and higher. This more goes for smash, not wm. I do use wm, but I'd at least want to make sure I can do a crit smash whenever, as with most SM monsters AI, you can get 2 smashes off before they retaliate. A crit would help end the battle faster. Of course, this is all nullified if I did a Alby Adv or so, in which case, I'd wm mostly, but the Dustins higher smash damage might help more. Getting closer to getting a Dustin ego.....
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-09-19 22:11
Quote from sakraycore;160430:
If you want to use your ego all the time you'll probably have to repair with NX pots anyways.
I don't see why crit is such a big deal though, windmill ignores prot so it's just smash, but 2h has a higher damage with smash anyways to overcome that somewhat.
While Two Hander do have higher smash, having the ability to critical smash is still a good thing. You can still take out (or almost take out) most monsters.
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Yanm wrote on 2010-09-20 14:44
Actually, at the moment right now, I'm considering getting a ego Masamune. I know the max damage difference is around 14 with level 40 stats for both Dustin and Masamune. However, that's only around a 85 normal smash difference, and I think I calculated the crit damage wrong. Would the higher damage of the Dustin ego be THAT much better than the higher crit of the Masamune?
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-09-20 18:11
Quote from Yanm;160987:
Actually, at the moment right now, I'm considering getting a ego Masamune. I know the max damage difference is around 14 with level 40 stats for both Dustin and Masamune. However, that's only around a 85 normal smash difference, and I think I calculated the crit damage wrong. Would the higher damage of the Dustin ego be THAT much better than the higher crit of the Masamune?
You will never be able to tell the difference between the two damages. The damage difference between a Masamune and Dustin Sword at level 50 stats is around 15 max damage.
If you are smash for over 1k non-critical each time, you won't suddenly realize that you are missing around 75 damage or so. (Depending on how game determines max damage)
Either way, they are both losing to dual wield+ego when doing WMs for damage.
While you can use regular ego pots to repair a Dustin Sword (still expensive), you can't really do it with a Masamune. Most people would just spam NX repair pots for both of them anyways.