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Tomates wrote on 2010-09-17 21:52
Just saying you guys, mods, whoever. The reason everyone left Guru was because people thought that the Mods were abusing their powers. Now I guess I'm not in much room to talk since I've been on a "College Hiatus" but it's not like I don't know a thing.
If you want to get respect from the users then you can't go around suspending people for spamming if you're going around spamming yourself. Same I guess with insults. If you're insulting a user, and then they insult you back, and then you suspend them then that only makes you look like a hypocrite.
I've seen this type of stuff go down. I've mentioned Createblog.com haven't I? I mean It's not fair for virtue to ban them with no real apparent reason. That only makes you look like you're abusing your power and that's only going to cause backlash in the community.
I don't want to see Mabination go down because of a Mod Vs. User revolt (not saying that it is falling now...).
Overall if you're going to ban someone or suspend someone then actually have and post a reason. The whole "no reason specified" is rather bull****. That just looks like you banned them for the hell of it or just out of pure anger. What's that going to do?
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Piko wrote on 2010-09-17 21:57
Quote from Tomates;158983:
Just saying you guys, mods, whoever. The reason everyone left Guru was because people thought that the Mods were abusing their powers. Now I guess I'm not in much room to talk since I've been on a "College Hiatus" but it's not like I don't know a thing.
Wrong. Completely wrong. We left Guru because Itchy didn't give us control of the forums nor came to ever give us support, so we decided to form our own forum. Maybe the people that stayed and joined Guru after we formed Mabiguru did so, but not the people involved here.
I would say something, but I generally ignored the entire Finnea thing and don't know what the f*ck's going down here.
Also lemme lay this down :
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I think Virtue needs a second chance. He's already shown to the community that he can be a respectable guy, and I can fully understand that he can be a cold hearted jackass. Really, there's a difference between trolls and people who simply feel that way. I have yet to see him post anything that would piss the entire community off, nor have I seen anyone else (The Bieber incident was me trollbaiting to get banned. This also excludes Moneyhuffin because he's just an idiot).
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YOU! You people who keep glorifying moderators! Quit wetting yourselves worrying over arguing with a moderator or even joking around with them. Moderators and the rest of the staff are still members and people, yet time after time I see you guys treating them with the same respect an honor student would give a teacher. It annoys me that nobody posts what they truly feel like posting because they're busy crapping themselves worrying whether or not they'll get banned for it.
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Shirayuki wrote on 2010-09-17 21:58
Quote from Pikablu;158995:
Wrong. Completely wrong. We left Guru because Itchy didn't give us control of the forums nor came to ever give us support, so we decided to form our own forum.
And because we all helped pay for his meals :c
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Kayate wrote on 2010-09-17 22:16
I got nothing against Virtue but I can say you can be rather harsh at times what you post may be reasonable to some but you don't have to harshly insult the person just prove your point.
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Osayidan wrote on 2010-09-17 23:15
You were banned on: 22nd june and 30th may, and then by me the last time.
Here's a couple of examples why I decided to ban you. There's also countless posts where you generally just treat a person like garbage when replying to them, which is not directly against the rules but has generated a lot of annoyances over time. We can't write rules saying to treat everyone like a best friend but people need to use common sense as well.
These alone are as bad or worst than what others have been banned for, the only difference is that most others were banned quickly because they did it on purpose, whereas you just seem to be that way as a person. I don't like telling people to not be themselves, but these things are unacceptable and I'm not allowing it anymore.
Quote from Virtue;32529:
You look like a douchebag.
Quote from Virtue;151376:
I agree.
Couldn't have said it better myself. She is disgusting criminal scum and should be reported to the authorities. This is a forum with tons of kids for ****'s sake and you let an open pedophile post here? How do you think their parents would feel about this?
The case she made for her 'desires' more or less are purely wrong. Even if she can't help it. I don't like to judge people so it's not my place really. But it does upset me how ignorant she is, and selfish for that matter. And not understanding how wrong and horrible it is that she thinks of it so casually at this point.
Quote from Virtue;138388:
Since I haven't been able to contact Fal in the past 20 days and Osay doesn't do anything without her okay:
@Fal: Demote Byte.
He takes the title "retarded moderator" to a whole new level as seen ever since you gave him that position. There's enough examples everywhere.
@Osay: Man the f[FONT=Arial]u[/FONT]ck up and demote him yourself without waiting for Fal to go on msn to ask her for permission. You're an admin too for f[FONT=Arial]u[/FONT]ck's sake.
I'm leaving Mabination until that happens.
@Byte: I've never seen a more ignorant and retarded moderator than you in my whole internet life. You should've been demoted and banned a long time ago when you posted that demographic information about brad already. Moderator abuse, that's something you do a lot; also ruining threads by your idiocy. You also tend to post all high and mighty (e.g. pretentious) about things you are clueless about. It's painful to see a moderator like you. Even more painful to read your posts that say things such as "hurr been on the internet since i was 2", "i have very powerful friends derp", "i r uber leet hacker". Seriously kid, that just shows how immature and young you are. We have moderators younger than you here and yet they still have thrice the maturity. I love how you still put up the 'I'm a good and righteous mod' act and keep hinting at wanting to be a super mod. Have you realised why you haven't got that yet? [s]Because your mom is a whore.[/s]
Bye!
I also have PMs from people about how you replied in posts. I'm going to respect the privacy of those people since it was PMs and not give out names but here is some.
chise, can you talk to virtue about his atitude? he isnt trolling or anything but a lot of his posts seem kinda mean.
I don't like the way Virtue is talking to Finnea on the bean rua thread about her pedophile thing. I agree with that he says but he says it so rude and degrading. I don't want to use the report button so he doesn't get in trouble or anything but you should talk to him about it. I've noticed quite a few of his posts have this kind of tone to them.
Thanks,
osay I need to talk to you about sin. in debate threads hes often pretty rude to people, not trolling them or anything its just the way he tells things. i like reading the debates (i'm in the debate club at school) and with the way he says things he would be disqualified pretty often.
So there you have it. This hasn't been some sudden thing, it's been going on for quite some time, almost since the start of Nation.
I won't be unbanning you, and if for some reason Fal unbans you I doubt you would have changed anything about your ways and will end up repeating these things, which will result in being banned again.
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Virtue wrote on 2010-09-17 23:32
Quote from Osayidan;159062:
You were banned on: 22nd june and 30th may, and then by me the last time.
Here's a couple of examples why I decided to ban you. There's also countless posts where you generally just treat a person like garbage when replying to them, which is not directly against the rules but has generated a lot of annoyances over time. We can't write rules saying to treat everyone like a best friend but people need to use common sense as well.
These alone are as bad or worst than what others have been banned for, the only difference is that most others were banned quickly because they did it on purpose, whereas you just seem to be that way as a person. I don't like telling people to not be themselves, but these things are unacceptable and I'm not allowing it anymore.
I also have PMs from people about how you replied in posts. I'm going to respect the privacy of those people since it was PMs and not give out names but here is some.
So there you have it. This hasn't been some sudden thing, it's been going on for quite some time, almost since the start of Nation.
I won't be unbanning you, and if for some reason Fal unbans you I doubt you would have changed anything about your ways and will end up repeating these things, which will result in being banned again.
You seem to forget there's a difference between when I was Sin (incredibly unpleasant) and when I am now Virtue.
The douchebag comment was for example in my Sin era.
About Byte; you know as well as I do how many members and staff members agree with that. You also know what's going to happen about that.
Let's see, the next one, as said in the thread has been perfectly reasoned in here already.
Then those PM's:
First one; Yeah, I'm a bit 'mean' but it's perfectly in line. What does that matter?
Second one; The Finnea issue has been discussed. A lot of people didn't like the way Finnea was talking about her pedosexuality and sex life either. Your point?
Third one: He's talking about Sin, incredibly unpleasant.
Why do you think I changed into Virtue? Because I decided I was going to be a good boy.
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-09-17 23:40
Well I'm glad you don't think I'm a stupid 14 year old, for starters.
But it's a iffy topic because Ama is my friend. She doesn't abuse me or harass me in a pedophile-like way, and you attacked her directly.
If you were a new member and that was your first post you would've been banned immediately.
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Osayidan wrote on 2010-09-17 23:44
Doesn't really matter if you got a name change, you still did those things. It's a good thing you tried to change for the better but it hasn't really showed recently.
As usual I'll let Fal deal with the rest of the drama. There's a reason I made myself 'web admin' rather than have a blue name.
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Virtue wrote on 2010-09-17 23:48
Quote from Osayidan;159088:
Doesn't really matter if you got a name change, you still did those things. It's a good thing you tried to change for the better but it hasn't really showed recently.
As usual I'll let Fal deal with the rest of the drama. There's a reason I made myself 'web admin' rather than have a blue name.
I agree; but no moderator warned me about it, no member PM'ed me about toning it down or telling me to piss off. So, of course this is quite a surprise to see me suddenly permabanned.
Also if you want to know why Zeph banned me and unbanned me 10 minutes later that one time I'll send you logs.
Recently the only 'mean' thing that happened was the Finnea thing. The rest is water under the bridge.
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Kazuni wrote on 2010-09-17 23:56
Quote from Virtue2;159093:
I agree; but no moderator warned me about it, no member PM'ed me about toning it down or telling me to piss off. So, of course this is quite a surprise to see me suddenly permabanned.
Also if you want to know why Zeph banned me and unbanned me 10 minutes later that one time I'll send you logs.
Recently the only 'mean' thing that happened was the Finnea thing. The rest is water under the bridge.
It was water under the bridge, but only because it was you. Like I said, new members doing that kinda thing would be banned right away.
This kinda reminds me of when my school was gonna expel me, actually :l
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Shirayuki wrote on 2010-09-18 00:03
Virtue still didn't answer my question >:
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Byte wrote on 2010-09-18 00:55
Here's a question that should be asked.
Why do YOU think you should be allowed on these forums.
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Finnea wrote on 2010-09-18 01:24
In all seriousness I don't care about the harsh things Virtue said to me. It was incredibly rude and offensive, but on a very controversial discussion where people just didnt seem to get what I was saying. Which I half expected anyway. So I'm trying to clear up misunderstandings that happened along the way. Here are some the particularly bother me.
1. You're a pedophile, so you must have slept with children. (Not trying to be explicit here, folks.)
Wrong.I said that, if I were to fall in love with someone able to give consent (This, ofcourse, varies from person to person,) then I would possibly persue them as a love intrest. Obviously I'm married, so I don't exactly see myself hitting on other women ofcourse (I did say that, if another women were to enter my life for whatever reason, then I may consider it.[I do believe that true love can happen more than once.])
I did also have an arguement revolving around pedophilia as a mental disorder. Which if you look at it from that side of things, then I am not a pedophile. I'm someone with tendencies.
2. I talk about my sex life. (Again, by saying this I'm not talking about it.)
Honestly I don't remember doing this, so prove me wrong. Before you try though; I suggest that you look deep into the statement to see whether you are perceiving it to be sex related or if it actually is. If these "kids" everyone is so worried about are truely innocent, then they won't look at it the way you do.
Also stop bringing up the parenting thing. If the parent doesn't want them looking at something like this, then it's their fault for letting them.
I'm terribly sorry for any drama I caused. I don't actually know what was said by Cablecrook and Virtue, but I'm sure they didnt deserve this. Ban yes, perma ban maybe, but denying them completely of reason isn't exactly correct. I see why Osay might have done that though, but there are methods that can be done before hand to ensure that a mistake isnt made.
Also there's two things that I'd like to put forward:
I'm not some sexual deviant that craves sex, so I'd appreciate if you would not make me out to be.
If you don't like it, then why read it? Why post in it? Why even acknowledge its existance?
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Taycat wrote on 2010-09-18 01:41
You were bad to me for instance.
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Shirayuki wrote on 2010-09-18 02:14
Quote from Xiyamae;159184:
You were bad to me for instance.
No offense, but I think a lot of people are mean to you sometimes :<