is this case of merchanting wrong??

• Juno wrote on 2010-04-21 02:47
  You don't sell gifts, regardless of the profit opportunity. I agree that's not a good case of merchanting.
• Emile wrote on 2010-04-21 02:54
  Merchanting is the only way to make honest and yet abundant gold. I agree that it was definitely wrong of him to have sold something from a friend which he lied or misled you to get, but oh well. You win some you lose some.
  
  Merchanting was never liked by anyone- not in Runescape, Maplestory, Mabinogi, WoW, or ANY online game. People look down on them although they're generally wealthy.
• bebepanales wrote on 2010-04-21 02:57
  it's just that... someone goes out of their way for you to do you a special favor, and you're like totally ignoring the thought. so inconsiderate. merchanting is dirty business, emile, it is not always honest. you'd be surprised at how low people will sink themveles to just to make a buck.
• Emile wrote on 2010-04-21 03:03

  Quote from bebepanales;13409:

  it's just that... someone goes out of their way for you to do you a special favor, and you're like totally ignoring the thought. so inconsiderate. merchanting is dirty business, emile, it is not always honest. you'd be surprised at how low people will sink themveles to just to make a buck.

  
  
  Merchanting isn't dirty business itself. It's hated for two reasons.
  
  1. Like you, you were abused and taken advantage in by someone who was doing this process. It's understandable and I would feel the same as you.
  
  But 2 is other people, and doesn't make sense to me.
  
  2. They just don't like the fact they're making money so easily and consider it dirty.
  
  Real life is all merchanting. Real-estate is buying cheap houses and waiting for the price to rise to sell higher.
  
  TL;DR: Yeah, in your situation this wasn't a friend you want to be with... obviously morally gray.
• bebepanales wrote on 2010-04-21 03:05
  no i mean... some merchants pretend to be friends just to get super discounts. and i feel so bad for the seller... he has no clue ã…‹.ã…‹
  (i know ppl... >.<)
• Emile wrote on 2010-04-21 03:07

  Quote from bebepanales;13417:

  no i mean... some merchants pretend to be friends just to get super discounts. and i feel so bad for the seller... he has no clue ã…‹.ã…‹
  (i know ppl... >.<)

  
  
  Yeah, well, it's these merchants who give merchanting a bad name.
  
  I never buy NX or items from friends primarily due to the fact I hate taking anything from them really.
• Intex wrote on 2010-04-21 03:14
  I just hate it when people blatantly lie in my face to try and get a discount.
  
  I'd rather someone say "I'll buy your Valencia for 500k" instead of "Come on, Valencia's are only worth 300k, there's going to be a new SM that gives Valencias as a reward. I'm already paying you 200k extra for it."
• Chiri wrote on 2010-04-21 03:26
  If you're feeling vengeful, you can always put up a counter party: "I sold this thing to this person for 10k g, don't buy higher."
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-04-21 04:01

  Quote from Chiri;13257:

  You can always just tell him: I'm disappointed in you, I thought you were going to use it.

  
  I will definitely do that or I'll auto-boycott someone who does that to me. Because it just shows that they are being greedy.
  
  In bebe's case, trust has been breached.
  
  I don't like being taken advantaged of. I remember the time when someone decided to befriend me and kept bugging me for a discount on my HW. After I realised the person is reselling my stuff, I deleted him off buddy list and then I moved to housing and sold HW instead. Now I've moved back to Dunbarton market and I still make a good business out of HW for exchange of many days of resting and time to do other things instead of just focusing on making the most out of housing.
  
  I do believe in giving discounts to friends provided that I have enough time to handle the requests, otherwise I do appreciate a little more for going through the extra trouble for them. Many times I have to reject requests because they were too much to handle. I'd rather they go find someone else who's willing to sell it cheap. Also, from what I heard, it's really rare for a 1000+CP player to still be in the HW trade (but that's ok for me since I do it really fast) and I'm really thinking of moving on from it to something else that is better for me since I don't really earn much from this for all the effort that I put in.
  
  I strongly believe that this game can be played without merchanting, where you sometimes have to suffer the consequences if you are discovered for the act. I'm not saying that you can't merchant, but if you really want to hide, don't ever let people (I'm saying about the random people you target for cheap items, don't ever do that to your friends) pick up your act. Use alternate accounts to sell if you really want to.
  
  However, if I gave something to someone as a gift and they decided to sell it, I won't really say anything about that since it is their item already. Because it's a gift.
  
  For myself, most gifts that I get from other people in-game, especially the high-value kind, I'll never sell them, because I don't think it's right to do so, unless they are junk that they don't want anyway. I'd rather earn my money some other way.
• Zid wrote on 2010-04-21 04:07
  =| Merchanting is a no-man's-land.
  
  This is just taking advantage of your consideration and kindness. Not cool at all.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-04-21 04:54
  Business is where you sell your soul for money.
  To be quite frank, its not a bad idea in general. Profit is important; take what you can.
  
  But there was a bit of manipulation and "scam" in this particular scenario, and thats not cool. He valued gold more than your trust, and he picked gold. What you do next is your call.
• jking012 wrote on 2010-04-21 05:12
  something about this seems wrong.... -.-
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-04-21 05:17
  I merchant when no special discounts or friends are involved. I might pick something cheap out of a store in dunby and sell it for more, but that's the price the seller had already set. I don't even haggle.
  
  In this situation, though, it's just wrong.
• Justified wrote on 2010-04-21 15:23

  Quote from Emile;13413:

  But 2 is other people, and doesn't make sense to me.
  2. They just don't like the fact they're making money so easily and consider it dirty.
  Real life is all merchanting. Real-estate is buying cheap houses and waiting for the price to rise to sell higher.

  
  
  You're absolutely right, there's nothing wrong with me buying out a bunch of tickets to the big game and then selling them for profit once the box office sells out, right? It's an honest buck. Oh wait, that's illegal. "Scalping," or merchanting tickets, is considered dirty and is illegal because the scalper is making a large profit for doing absolutely nothing.
  Houses involve actual risk and upkeep. A better comparison would be buying a colored Gacha weapon, proffing it to 100, and then selling it. You invest money in the house/weapon, take care of it for a while, then after it develops you reap in the profits. You risk the house being a dud, the housing market not rising, the colored weapon falling below egoable, or enchants destroying that nice 18dur smithed Broadsword. Unlike merchanting/scalping, you don't just sit on your arse doing nothing.
  In addition, ever read the label "Not for resale"?
  
  

  Quote from Arsik;13222:

  To me, all merchanting is bad, period, since it's too consumed by greed, as evident in your friend's actions. But if you're a merchant, you really can't complain about what people do with things they bought from you, since you did agree to the price already.

  
  
  This all the way.
  Merchants are kind of like double scammers. They scam the good will of people offering low prices to help out their buyers, and they scam the buyers by making them pay more than they should for what they want, generally well above market value.
  
  
  A living isn't "honest" if you don't contribute in anyway to the community. All merchants/ scammers/ scalpers do is take from it.
  On the other hand, I honestly do dislike people making money too easily when they don't deserve it.
  I do accept merchanting in forms of:
  1. Person A doesn't have a proper way to sell so person B buys and sells for higher in his Shop/House.
  2. Person A has a set price (not haggled) below market value. Person B buys and sells at market value.
  Anything beyond that is pretty much driven by greed and taking advantage of people.
• pkMaster wrote on 2010-04-21 16:14
  Scalping my be illegal, but people do it all the time. Why'd you think some concert tickets selling for over 1K? (Talking about real life)
  
  Unless you know this guy personally, you'd probably want to sever all ties with him. People like that just aren't worth hanging around with.